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Interesting mix of proofmarks above, Raimey. Some are clearly Belgian, but some Belgian marks missing, and others not Belgian. Another of those mysteries.
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Jeff:
Marc only had stored the images and Mr. Hallquist may know the origin of the double.
Mr. Brown:
Truly a mystery and I'm guessing some sort marks from Bulgaria/Romania/Yugo. etc. And as I stated before, still searching.
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The Belgian proofs are post 1924. The date code (1927) does not match the controller of proof for dating (1937-1964). I agree with Larry, many marks are missing....
Some of those other marks appear rather amateurish.
Gaier talks about stock carving, but the only Belgian guns I have seen with it were for export or are high end guns in museums. This one is much nicer than those cheap export klunkers. Checkpiece, sling swivels, 65mm 16ga, it was certainly meant for the European market.
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Stock for Darne. Stocker Cristiane Eno (or something like this), France. 
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 Jeff: The above was a Belgian double that sold a few years back and for now there isn't anymore info. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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The photo is a Faukner, Prague, SLE 12. I've also seen a fine 16 by Faukner which is a box lock with small side plates in the form of a crown. The image above reminded me of that gun. 
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Terry:
Do you own the example? I really like stock with the subtle cheekpiece.
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I was thumbing thru some notes looking for something else of course and thought the following info might interest a few. Post WWII, Commissioner Adolf Machac of Brno was established as the head of a management entity to utilize existing stock of the Weipert firms Josef Bartl, Gustav Bittner, Wenzel Morgenstern, Gustav Fükert, Wenzel Morgenstern, Norbert Schmidl, Rudolf Thiele and others. The makers were to take the existing stock and complete the construction of as many weapons as possible. I'm sure they could also fabricate some additional components or possibly source some. Afterward the machines were being transferred and transformed to meet the needs of the mining industry. This would be a far cry from the time in 1887 when the consortium of Bittner, Fükert and Morgenstern & Schmidl combined forces to fulfill the requirements of a weapons order from Steyr in Austria. Anyway, the longarms of question are very similar to a Gustav Fükert No. 60, which was offered with a Greener safety. J. Nowotny/Novotny of Praze offered a similar Model "Second to None" with either Krupp or Kilby tubes, with a surcharge over Krupp. So Adolf Machac had the components and craftsmen at his disposal and I suspect this would go a long way in explaining the pair. Frantisek Faukner of Praze had an sister named Marie Fauknerova, both being children of master gunsmith Jan Faukner, who married Antonin Machac in 1877. Antonin Machac was either the father or grandfather of Adolf Machac, if I have my family ties correct. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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 Interesting stamp on a 1937 imported(non-Inland Production or non- tuzemsko) Czech peddled longarm by Adolf Machac with " Siemens-Martin Steel Falla Patent Brazing "  PeteM's Falla reference:  http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post222277Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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