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I bet it was an unfinshed Purdey that was stolen and secretly smuggled into Germany.

By the scratches on the lock plate it appears it was once worked on by a gunsmith with Parkensons.

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So if Whitworth tubes 35857 & 35858 were circa 1907 then Whitworth 40913 & 40914 wouldn't be too far behind say 1910-1911? Any idea of Whitworth's yearly tube production?

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Originally Posted By: Geno
As I can see finish is funeral. From French it sounds like Black Bronze Case Hardering.


Geno,

I was thinking along the same lines. It has all the appearances of a funeral gun.

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Thanks for all the info guys. I will take some pictures of the breech and top of the barrels in just a bit but there doesn't seem to be any markings on them at all.

Also this could be very common, but the extractors only eject the shell that has been fired. For instance if two shells are loaded, one is fired, then you open the breech only the fired shell will be ejected.

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The action looks like a Francotte based on the H&H. They are very fine guns and in good shape run in the $6-7K range. The tubes are Whitworth with the proper Whitworth serial numbers & trademark on them. The practice of numbering the Whitworth barrels was similar to (maybe the same as) many of the British patents where the gun had a serial number and another number was affixed to show how many times a particular patent (A&D action for instance) was used under license. I guess it was a way to keep track of royaly monies for use of the patent.

Great gun!

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Originally Posted By: VitaminT
Thanks for all the info guys. I will take some pictures of the breech and top of the barrels in just a bit but there doesn't seem to be any markings on them at all.

Also this could be very common, but the extractors only eject the shell that has been fired. For instance if two shells are loaded, one is fired, then you open the breech only the fired shell will be ejected.


They are called selective ejectors and are common. However the type of selective ejector system is what you look at for rarity, etc.

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I disagree with Mr. Eales, that's a high quality gun. Not all high quality guns are extensively engraved. Now learn all you can about it's care, use and history and don't let it get any more rust. It may be very shootable if it checks out ok by a competent doublegun 'smith.

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And we know it has 2&3/4" chambers- as that's how the Froggies mark their tubes in 70mm, whereas 65mm is a 2&5/8" chamber length- both approx--if you want to 'split hairs' here- blonde, redhead, whatever-our std. 2 & 3/4" Made in USA decimal based system is probably closer to the Froggies 69.6mm-- no big deal.

It is a seven pin back actioned sidelock and some idiot boogered the lock through pin head- too cheap to buy a second or third set of Graces from Brownell's and custom grind for an EXACT dead nuts fit- No excuse for that kinda crap--


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Actually I think it is a bar action sidelock the photos show a pin on the bar which usually secures the mainspring, with all the pins it probably has intercepting sears, JMO.

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this is a bar action and it has the same pin layout that the scott mont carlo B the Scott isn't stocked to the fences.you are very lucky this looks like a great gun.mr Eales is way off on this gun. mc

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