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Thre is sign W.W.Greener I believe

The ejector mechanism in the lumps and action is another Greener clue. That would make it either a "Self-Acting" ejector or a "Unique" ejector. Judging by the reinforcing bolsters at the angle of the frame, it is probably the later, improved, "Unique" model. The Facile Princeps had ejector work in the forend. The Unique and Self-Acting models are referred to as G-guns and are complex guns that were made only by the most skilled craftsmen.

Hammergun:

Thanks for the insight into the "Unique" as I had "assumed" that Greener had loosely based his "G-guns" on the Facile Princeps. I expect to see no British proofs and a "Special Gewehr Lauf Stahl" stamp on the tubes and Suhl was without a doubt the location to find the world's most skilled craftsmen. The only difference in the offering by Barnett and the "Krupp" Sauer is that the word "Safe" is on Barnett's while "Sicher" is on the "Krupp" Sauer. The addressing of the bolsters is a little different but the frame side reinforcing, contour of the underside of the frame and forend latch iron being the same with the exception of the triggerguard bow iron being rounded at the interface with the frame while the Barnett offering has a rounded version. Both the "Krupp" Sauer and the Heinrich Scherping I've handled had a 2 piece forward underlug and I expect the Barnett offering to have the same.

Thanks Clay for the effort whether it is still there or not.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

This supplied pic is from an earlier auction and appears to be a Sauer totally inhouse made longarm. Of what components I can't say yet. Looks to be chopperlump????


I wonder what the "SSIA"?? is on the left flat? PRUSSIA

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Many thanks to Clay in his Vegas pic excellent effort:





Hmm, "WB" filed up the frame. I wonder if that points to ole Willibald Barthelmes of Zella Saint Blasii??







Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

If Willibald Barthelmes was the master craftsman that filed up the frame, he would have been an old cuss in 1905/1906/1907. If I am not mistaken, Carl Walther(1860 - 1915) served a stint at Willibald Barthelmes's shop beginning in 1873 and Carl Walther should have been a master in 1883/1884 and it may have been in the year 1886 when he hung out his own shingle. Ah, Willibald Barthelmes could have lived to a ripe old age and been the "go to" master craftsman when a very select few file strokes were needed. It seems odd that Sauer would source Zella Saint Blasii so I will check other possibilities. Willibald Barthelmes may have had a son named Willibald, Jr. There's a lowercase script "g" on the lower rib as well as what looks to be a "M" on the left tube near the lower rib. I still hold that Max Metzner is connected to the "M" or "MM" initials on the Sauer doubles and if, if Willibald Barthelmes filed up the frame that would solidify the connection as post WWI Max Metzner acquired ownership of Emil Barthelmes, which began in 1854 in Zella Saint Blasii. Just purely by the numbers, Emil Barthelmes may have been born in 1830. There's some odd winged fowl or a scratch on the right tube on the lower rib ahead of the flats. Interesting find all the way around.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

The stamp "Made in Prussia" proves that the action was made after 1921.
USA trade laws in 1921 dictated that any product made for export to the USA must have "Made in ______" on it.
As it was not possible to know where a certain gun would be sent when it was made, most complied by stamping as this one was.
Best,
John

I think the "Made In Purssia" stamp was applied later for import in the U.S. of A. I've done a quick search of my notes and Sauer #92,216 a Model 17 has the "W.B." in a oval as does Sauer #186,309, a Model 40E(the pic is a bit fuzzy though). So it appears "W.B.", possibly Willibald Barthelmes, was the "go to" craftsman when high end frames were needed.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Then you fathom that the action was made long before the stamp was made?
Possible.
Best,
John

I really thought we would see Greener trademarks and British proofs. The mechanics in the lumps look like the Greener Unique Ejector.