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#177411 02/04/10 08:27 PM
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Is there anyone who can help identify this maker. The gun has no other marks except Krupp Steel (barrels). The barrels where damaged so I am converting to a double rifle. [img][/img]
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E.(Erdmann) Schmidt & Habermann. Could you post a pic of the area ahead of the flats. Also I think the frame to be similar to a recent "Hubertus" drilling thread.

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German, made in 1927.

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The barrels were cut off, the block welded and linebored to make a monoblock. There was a name (Richard Fleis Co on one barrel and Prussstanl-Krupp-Essex on the other with the letters RW in a oval on both barrels)along with the proofs.
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Thanks for the valuable info on the marks Rd Show. Any initials on the frame or watertable?

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Thanks for the replies and all the info. I will have the stock off to replace the left firing pin tomorrow and i will search the frame. The only marks on the watertable are the serial nos. and proofs. The action seems to be well made and very strong,did i mention the letters SS on the barrels and the word (Leipzig)on the top of the barrel just forward of the flats. Regards Rich


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As far as the maker, I'd attach a good bit of weight to Rob. Werner listed as being a parts source and early on the Werner folks were tube makers as well as most other gun making facets. Some weight could be sent toward August Richard Weissheit or Weißheit's way who was in Zella-Mehlis. I don't know if the "SS" was for Sauer or Gotthard Schillings tube factory.

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Do you have any idea what the letters (ESHA) stands for in front of the trigger guard (first picture). Regards Rich


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E(Erdmann) S(chmidt) & HA(bermann), Suhl. The firm was founded in 1886 and I think both fellas were up in years. E. Schmidt I think to be a businessman and possible a Senator at some point. As usual with a business name, the money man was 1st and the workhorse/craftsman was 2nd. By the time this example was made Richard, Franz & Paul Stadelmann were the owners and possibly by 1927 Richard was out of the picture. What relationship they had to Schmidt or Habermann, I can't say for now.

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Rich, Your thread is very interesting and leaves me with a lot of questions. What rifle cartridge are you converting this gun to? How do you determine if your action is suitable for conversion from shotgun to double rifle? I assume the picture of the breech being smoked is after sleeving new barrels into the monobloc? (I'm looking for the solder joint... not sure if I'm seeing it) I hope you'll keep updating us on your progress.


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