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Originally Posted By: StormsGSP
Who has an Iver Johnson sleeved?


That's what I was thinking when I first saw it.

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Gentlemen:
Finally. Homeless has struck upon the truth. Unknowingly. These guns were cheap guns, built to a price point. Thus, the cheap way to make such a double is to employ the monobloc method of joining barrels to a pre-machined breech section that includes lump, chambers, bites, etc. It's essentially the same process used in sleeving a good gun. The solder you see is a sloppy joint job. The knurled ring around the barrels was supposed to hide this plus a none-to-precise joint. SKB used the same process, and so did a range of others. As someone said, "who sleeves an Iver Johnson?" The answer is nobody.

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OK, I can see the monobloc joint, and now that I finally found out how to enlarge, can see the sloppy soldering job.

I wonder how much this would cost? Even for a gunsmith who does a less-than-outstanding soldering job, it can't be cheap. And I wonder if someone didn't put more money in this gun than it's worth.

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Originally Posted By: Genelang
OK, I can see the monobloc joint, and now that I finally found out how to enlarge, can see the sloppy soldering job.

I wonder how much this would cost? Even for a gunsmith who does a less-than-outstanding soldering job, it can't be cheap. And I wonder if someone didn't put more money in this gun than it's worth.


Just an fyi, that is not a monobloc joint. It is a sleeving. A monobloc requires a single piece of metal to be machined and fitted with barrels.

The sleeved Hercules. The seam is too far forward to be a monobloc.


If you look at other pictures of Hercules guns, you will see there is no joint.


A Beretta is a true monobloc. In this photo, you can just barely make out the seam above the hing.




I have no clue why some one would spend all that time and money to redo this gun.

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Thanks. I've got a Winchester 23, which is a monobloc. I can see now how far forward that joint in the picture is.

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Monobloc = "one block". Model 21 is a chopper lump if I am not mistaken. I am willing to be corrected or educated if I am mistaken.

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Mine is a 23. Wish it were a 21.

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Sorry, I misread your post.

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Dovetail lump, NOT chopper lump, on a Model 21, by the way. Pete, thanks for posting the correction on monobloc vs sleeved. A true monobloc is stiffer and sturdier than any sleeved gun can be.

Come on, jOe, you thought that was legit? I've heard it all, now. Not surprising to me in the least that the world's "outmost forfeiter" would have it in inventory, either.


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Truthfully Ted I didn't have a clue if the gun was original or not....only Iver Johgnson I've ever saw was a single shot.

I do think if the mono-block was so great English guns would have been built on it instead of mostly junk Belgium and French guns.

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