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Just to put it in perspective, on the list of WW1 "Aces" of all nations Rickenbacker ranks at # 106 with 26 kills. The top aces were:
1. German Manfred v.Richthofen, the "Red Baron",80 victories.
(the little brother Lothar v.R. ranks #40 with 40 kills)
2. French Fonck, 75 victories
3. Canadian Bishop, 72
4. German Udet, 62
All these men started earlier in the 1914-18 war and for most of their time flew much less developed planes with weak, castor-oil-spitting rotary engines, that were prone to disassemble themselves at the slightest mistake of the pilot.
But this thread is now wandering off from the "Goering" gun topic.
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Facinating,thank you all. I believe Goring had a JaegerHaus near Grafenwoehr also.
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He was known as Der Gross Hermann and Der Dicke. He got hooked on drugs in the 20s and by the time he surrendered to the Americans he was a walking depository of paracodeine. He definitely believed in living the good life. Prime example was Karinhall, where he loved to hunt. When he surrendered to the Americans, the pistol he turned in was a Smith & Wesson MP 38 revolver. Seems rather strange. When he was in the custody of the prison at Nuremburg, he was weaned off of the pills and lost a considerable amount of weight. Justice Robert jackson, who was the chief U.S. prosecutor, found out that Goering had a sharp mind. Goering had no intentions of hanging. He believed it was not the honorable way to die. There have been allegations that an American officer from Texas was the one who got him the cyanide capsule, that he ended his own life with. The picture that was taken off him after he poisoned himself was with one eye open in his pajamas. All of the bodies, including his, were loaded on a truck, and taken under armed guard to a concentration camp where the ovens had been fired up. Their bodies were cremated and their ashes were dumped in a river, so any diehard Nazis could not have anything to cherish.
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He was known as Der Gross Hermann and Der Dicke. He got hooked on drugs in the 20s and by the time he surrendered to the Americans he was a walking depository of paracodeine. He definitely believed in living the good life. Prime example was Karinhall, where he loved to hunt. When he surrendered to the Americans, the pistol he turned in was a Smith & Wesson MP 38 revolver. Seems rather strange. When he was in the custody of the prison at Nuremburg, he was weaned off of the pills and lost a considerable amount of weight. Justice Robert jackson, who was the chief U.S. prosecutor, found out that Goering had a sharp mind. Goering had no intentions of hanging. He believed it was not the honorable way to die. There have been allegations that an American officer from Texas was the one who got him the cyanide capsule, that he ended his own life with. The picture that was taken off him after he poisoned himself was with one eye open in his pajamas. All of the bodies, including his, were loaded on a truck, and taken under armed guard to a concentration camp where the ovens had been fired up. Their bodies were cremated and their ashes were dumped in a river, so any diehard Nazis could not have anything to cherish. --Pretty much jibes with the info I have on "Fat Boy Goering"--I didn't know about the S&W .38 however- I believe it is true- and American G-2 Officer ( 03 perhaps) from Tx who was fluent in Deutsch was assigned to interview HG, and may have accepted a bribe to get him the cyanide tablet that helped him cheat the noose- I didn't know about the disposal of the dead Nazis post hanging- but makes sense-All you need do is read The ODESSA file carefully and you'll realize that criminals like Goering, Himmler and of course Hitler had so mesmerized the German people that their evil influence could reach out from the grave--
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Herman Goerings Morphine drug addiction came about, not from the recreational use of such a substance, but was prescribed by doctors to kill the pain of a bullet wound in the groin that he received when flying a fighter aircraft in WW1.
Oddly one of his favourite recreations was playing with a vast model railway which occupied almost an entire room in Karinhall, his hunting lodge. This building was comletely destroyed by the Russian Army in 1945.
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That S& W is the West Point Military Museum. (number 16 and 20) http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/W...eringsBaton.htmThere is a film of Goring handing that over,you can see the smile turn to a frown when he realizes its over.
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Goring was shot in the groin by German Police at the Munich Beir Hall Putsch in 1923. The drug addiction stemmed from that injury. Goring ordered Karinhall destroyed by Luftwaffe bomb handlers, who filled the haus with bombs and set them off before the Russians got to it.
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They must not have done a great job destroying Karinhall or maybe he took it with him in those trucks of paintings,the guest book is at the Museum as well,solid silver.Signed buy Hitler,Mussiolini,Lindburgh,and even Hoover. It was captured by the 101 http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/W...llGuestbook.htm
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I'm gonna take a real wild-assed guess here about the .38 M&P that Hermann Goering apparently had when he was caught bu the Allies- After his "Fubar" with the Luftwaffe superiority became a joke-- "Call me Meyer-"-- he may have seen the end of the Third Reich and put out a quiet word that he would pay a premium to any Luftwaffe Pilot that brought him a .38 revolver and ammo taken from a captured Allied pilot-- "for his collection", when his drug addled brain may have suggested to him- that the SS had maybe removed or shortened the firing pin on his Walther in secret--
Part of the same paranoia that affect Napoleon Bonaparte also affected Hitler- any as the Russians were closing in on Berlin, both Goering and Himmler tried to escape undetected-- only Goebbels and his wife and children remained to die with Adolph and Eva in the bunker in Berlin-- sort of a Teutonic play on the old "rats deserting the sinking ship" scenario.
This is just conjecture, not based on fact--
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Nope,
Goring purchased it from a shop in Hamburg before WWII,he had a lot of guns.
Like I said in a earlier post, I never saw a sporting one at auction(3 shotguns that I can recall) without his family crest,this S&W does not of course.I do recall a pistol that was his wifes getting auctioned off by James Julia and few years ago that did have it thou.
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