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Proof once again,when faced with overwhelming FACTS that prove your position is wrong,resort to cowardly name calling and more ignorant and untenable positions.

The "interpretation" is directly from the BATF website and rules both higlighted and linked in my post.
Show me where you get your facts that says a C&R is not a FFL or that all its good for is "simply allows you to assemble a collection for personal use" ?

Thank you ! Agree 100%

It might not come through in my posts but I am trying to point out there are facts right from the BATF available that anyone with common sense (apparently not that "common") that will avoid many of the made up and flat out wrong posts made on threads like this.

And again, I have no problem or care what any 01 FFL wants or does not want to accept,just don't add unsubstantiated rumors ("to risky") and "not a FFL" to hide ignorance,lazy or greedy.

Here is a list of dealers that are ready to do transfers;

http://www.gunbroker.com/FFL/DealerNetwork.aspx

and another;

http://www.gunsinternational.com/ffl-dealers.cfm

"ignorance,lazy or greedy." Sure looks like name calling to me.

Even though I do transfers, I'm sure you would not approve of how I run things. I am one of those nutters that likes a photocopy of a DL to go with my books. Crazy I know, but at my last ATF audit the agent did mention that they liked the idea and it made things simple and easy. I also agree with Gunplummer that a C&R does not allow you to run a for profit business. Twist it as you like.......

Dave K:

I simply made an observation, and expressed my opinion. The last I checked, I still have that right.

Reviewing your posts and endless rants against licensees, it is you who have described them as "stupid", "ignorant", "lazy" and "greedy." Yet, you call me a coward for making the observation that you appear to be one-sided and have a bullying manner of "see things my way or you are an idiot."

There are plenty of folks on this board who know my background. I can tell you that I have seen many people get themselves in trouble based on their own interpretation of firearms law. I wish you the best and hope you find happiness with a dealer who will accomodate you.

Just sayin'........when there is significant money involved, many of them lose their stupid streak at record speed.

GunPlumber, I called your post ("There is just no reasoning with someone afflicted with Napoleon syndrome") cowardly and stand by it !

Your the one with a "interpretation" of firearms laws and have as of yet not backed up any of the wrong "interpretations" you made that I challenged .
Note-NO "interpretations" on my part at all.I have posted links directly from the BATF site (and in the books-disk they send to license's,which I doubt you have even taken the time to read !

Have no idea of your back round,but so far your view of a discussion (well there where some "rants"-"View from the cheap seats" comes to mind ) of facts vs posts like " a C&R is not a FFL" does nothing to impress me.

If you have something you can back up in facts fine,why not post it?So far all I see is name cowardly name calling,and your "view" of what the rules are.
All your doing now is continuing to prove my point about lazy,ignorant and or greedy !

If you read my earlier post, I said that a C&R is not an FFL. If you read further, I clarified that statement to mean that a C&R license does not allow you to deal in firearms as a business. I even called it what it is, an 03 FFL.

Straight from the ATF website:

Q: Does a license as a collector of curio or relic firearms authorize the collector to engage in the business of dealing in curios or relics?
No. A dealer�s license must be obtained to engage in the business of dealing in any firearms, including curios or relics.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a) and 923(a), 27 CFR 478.41]

If I remember right, in an earlier post you claimed that an antique firearm is one which is 100 years old. This is factually incorrect under the Gun Conrol Act of 1968 (GCA).

You later corrected yourself with your own clarification.

But I guess you are the only one who can do that, right?

Like I said, best of luck in all of your future endeavors. Happy collecting. I am done conversing with you.

Plumber,
You are correct,I forgot a word "could" in be an antique,your statement-03 is not a FFL was incorrect,but I will agree to a "push" I will also say its good you have moved up the learning curve and actually linked to a BATF site,even if its not pertinent to this discussion.

Now can you show me where I said that a 03 FFL was for dealing?
You Can't!


If you address your "interpretations" and stop making up ones that you claim I did it would help your case a lot more then making up what was never posted.

man if there was ever a time i felt like I was having a battle of wits with a "unarmed" man,this is it !

Quote:
"There are plenty of folks on this board who know my background. I can tell you that I have seen many people get themselves in trouble based on their own interpretation of firearms law. "

Well: Those of us on this board who are stupid and ignorent are still waiting for you to cite even ONE specific case where an 01FFL got in to trouble with the BATF for shipping a C&R firearm to an 03FFL.
Jim

so, does this mean that we should never apply high heat to a shotgun receiver in the vain attempt to restore case colors?