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Where do the finest guns in the world come from today?
I realize this will be an opinionated response, but is London long past its prime? Ferlach? Pictures always make a discussion like this better/more entertaining.
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Fabbri and Hartman & Weiss.
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I don't have any pictures of Italian guns but I have to say the Fabbri, Desenzani (sp), F.Illi Rizzini, Beretta SOs etc... have world class fit, finish and engraving and reputations to match.
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And I thought you were gonna say the finest guns in the world came from Amarillo...
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Holland, Purdey, Westley, Fabri, Bosis, Hartman, best
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I have to say the Fabbri, Desenzani (sp), F.Illi Rizzini, Beretta SOs etc... have world class fit, finish and engraving and reputations to match.
Italy, hands down........
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One perspective might be that the Brits still make the best English game guns, but the Italians have taken the double-gun to another level. Regardless of your tastes, it would seem hard to argue that the engraving and technological innovations used to produce guns like the Bertuzzi Gullwing or the F'lli Rizzini R1E aren't more advanced than the traditional London best guns, regardless of price. Bertuzzi Rizzini I had an opportunity to handle a Hartmann & Weiss 28 ga OU last year and it is beyond my limited imagination to figure out how you could make anything more beautiful than that gun - it was exquisite. That said, there is something very beguiling about the Dickson Round Action . . . . Dickson
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Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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How is a Flli. Rizzini R1 different than a English game gun? I'm not being quip, I just have no idea.
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I recall reading in DOUBLE GUNS AND CUSTOM GUNSMITHING that the Italian makers like Fabbri, Bosis and Flli Rizzini made a number of innovations to the "standard" London best sidelock design. While the guns continued to look similar aesthetically from the outside, the internal changes like the use of coil springs, integral bridles and overhead interceptors distinguished them from more typical best guns. The book has a rather strong critique in favor the lock designs used by the Italian makers.
Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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Since you put the fork in the road, I'll take it.  On the subject of coil springs vs. cantilevered leaf springs; I think there's enough evidence to say that the coil is a more easily designed and manufactured spring and resultantly more reliable spring.
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