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I don't know what grade it is but it's very nice indeed.
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"nice one cyril" looks like a smashin gun mate loverly stuff I love them carved fences very much indeedy, as the rest of it. franc
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Mark, can't answer your question but want to say what a lovely gun. Good find!
Regards,
James
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I can't tell you the grade either; but all examples I've seen had the grade noted on the barrel lug, which this example does not have. I can tell you that the number of wreaths stamped on the barrel flats indicated barrel steel quality; the more wreaths stamped, the higher the gun grade. This example has 5 wreaths, and I believe recalling engraver Geoffry Gournet telling me that the highest quality Ideals had 7 wreaths. This is obviously a higher grade than my #4 with 3 wreaths; but I'm guessing not quite the highest grade.
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Hello Mark,
I can say without a doubt that it is a "Very Nice Grade", congratulations on your find!
Seriously, if you give me the serial number I can give you the year of manufacture and what grades were made in that year.
Best,
JC P.S.: Pictures of barrels just front of flats will give the proofs it was submitted to. jc
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Thanks JC, I have PM'd you the SN Here is a photo of the proof marks on the barrel Mark
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Mark, your Idéal was made in 1921 when a total of 1,308 Idéals were made.
It was proofed to 1441kg per cm2 and as it says on the barrels, using 20 grammes of black powder (Poudre Noire Forte Nº2) and 120 grammes of Nº8 lead shot.
It is a real beauty!
BTW, does the rubber recoil pad have the Manufrance Logo and is the retracting sling in good working order?
JC
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Wow, thanks again JC!
There is no MF mark on the pad that I can see, it is a bit dilapitated though, it appears to me to be a Silvers pad.
The retractable sling works perfectly and leather is 100%
Is there a book or reproduction catalog for these guns?
I'd like to learn a bit about it....
Mark
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