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Going to check with the experts in Birmingham tomorrow and come back to you. I'm going to ask St Ledgers too and they will give me the difinitive answer. I've heard both. I've seen only hardenend.  T
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Not going to get into the hook debate..I've seen how it's done here and most people reface the hook. Period.
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Ok. I'm anxious to learn more.
Good to "debate" with you. I enjoy it.
Hope you're feeling well, btw.
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The barrel hook is softer than the hardened hinge pin, the barrel hook will wear long before the hinge pins.........so to replace hinge pins will NOT put a worn gun back on face......
The barrel hook remains worn because it is softer and the gun will not be back on face until the barrel hook is EITHER replaced or welded up........and that's the way it is done period...........around the world, maybe not in Maine, but everywhere else I know of...........
You can put five or six new hinge pins in and still be shooting a loose lump............!.........
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OWD, definately good debate, and taken in good spirit. I'm feeling well at the moment and hobbling around and looking forward to my duck season start Thursday...I have ducks all over here on the farm! Need to finish the Grants /wink. PA24. You got it old man...it's great to debate though. Anyway I'll check with the "pros" tomorrow. T
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I'm a rank amateur on this subject but I've had guns put back on face using both methods. Regardless of which method is used the hook still needs to be refit to the pin by filing. Replacing the pin can be darned complicated and expensive, especially if new engraving is involved. So, if the pin isn't worn out of round I prefer working on the hook.
Which leads me to mention that refitting the hook is also a very time consuming job to be done properly. "Cheap" is not in its vocabulary. I've seen a number of jobs done that the hook doesn't make over 10% contact with the pin. Oh, they're tight but after a flat of shells they're loose as ever. If buying and you suspect the quality of the work put some black on the hook and check the contact.
Last edited by Joe Wood; 08/29/11 07:01 PM.
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"BTW: welding up the hook is not the proper way to put a quality double back on the face. Replacing the hinge pin is. Welding is how you deal with fixed cross pins, or a shortcut."
I'm no expert on this, but when I asked Holland and Holland about replacing the removable pin in my H&H Dominion grade, they said it isn't done any more that way. The sent me to their repair contact in Lousiana, Ken Eversole, I think, who laser welded the hook. As near perfect a job as I've ever seen. It cost me about $700.
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That's it Vol T
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"BTW: welding up the hook is not the proper way to put a quality double back on the face. Replacing the hinge pin is. Welding is how you deal with fixed cross pins, or a shortcut." I'm no expert on this, but when I asked Holland and Holland about replacing the removable pin in my H&H Dominion grade, they said it isn't done any more that way. The sent me to their repair contact in Lousiana, Ken Eversole, I think, who laser welded the hook. As near perfect a job as I've ever seen. It cost me about $700. I think OWD just sits around and reads out dated books, no real world experience.........? It hasn't been done that way since before OWD was born........!..........
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