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Ok Steven, I took proper chamber measurements using an inside micrometer and came up with these numbers

At the mouth of the chamber the measurement is .814" then it tapers down smoothly to the start of the forcing cone at which point the diameter is .801"...a taper of .013" over an exact 2.875" in length
Like I said they look pretty original.

Frank....I sent you a pm

Doug.... I'll send you this one and you send me the Lefever, so I can check it out...sounds fair to me smile

Bill we're kind of short on time this month.....might not happen
but I'll have a better idea next week.

Mike here's a shot of the bottom...no reinforcing wedge on this one

CJ





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Looks like a special gun to me and worth getting a letter on or joining the AHFCA to get a copy of the factory card.
A straight grip 32" Fox will generate lots of PM's Great find how about a few more pictures. Interesting that the chamber end at .801 I thought .790 was the standard??? Craig

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Three-inch shells have been around just about as long as cartridge shotguns have been around. Prior to repeaters, which needed a certain length shell to function reliably, there were a plethora of shell lengths. In my 1903 UMC catalogue there were 12-gauge paper shells 2 5/8, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, 3 and 3 1/4 inch. The 16-gauge was available 2 9/16, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, and 3 inch. The 20-gauge was offered in 2 1/2, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, and 3 inch. In those days these longer shells didn't pack a heavier payload, but more and better wadding for a better gas seal which many serious Pigeon shooters thought to be an advantage. The first time I see the longer shells packing a heavier load was around 1912 for the 3-inch 20-gauge for the famous Widgeon Duck Club Parker Bros. guns and the J. Stevens A & T Co. pump gun. These 3-inch 20-gauge shells packed 2 1/2 drams equiv and 7/8 ounce of shot as opposed to the max load of 2 1/4 drams equiv. and 7/8 ounce of shot in the standard 2 1/2 inch 20-gauge shell! These shells were loaded with dense smokeless powder measured in grains (the heaviest load of ballistite offered in the 2 1/2 inch 20-gauge shell was 18 grains) while the longer shells could be had with 20 grains.





Several of the early Ansley H. Fox graded 20-gauge guns, circa 1912-13 were chambered for the 3-inch shell of that period.

By the late 1920s, Peters Cartridge Co. was offering their High Velocity progressive burning smokeless powder loads in long cases for about $10 per thousand more. From 1927 Peters catalogue --



This box is from the early 1930s in that it has Rustless priming, but pre 1934 as no DuPont markings --


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In my 1903 UMC catalogue there were 12-gauge paper shells 2 5/8, 2 3/4, 2 7/8, 3 and 3 1/4 inch.


Likewise in my 1891 U.S. Cartridge Co. price list. They patented their "Waterproof Paper Shot Shells" Oct 14, 1884 and offered their Climax Quality 12ga shells in 2 3/4 to 3 1/4 inches at $9 per 1,000. However, their 14ga and 16ga at that time were held to 2 9/16".


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