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Some of you have probably seen these. It's the first for me. Note how quickly the chambers neck down; pic 7. Ya' think maybe they knew the highest pressure is at the breech? 5 lb 4 oz; not bad and a lot lighter than most 410s. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=264278644
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Thats how they made them in the 1920s. From H & D Folsom Arms Co. Catalogue No. 23  The later .410-bore doubles made by Crescent-Davis Arms Co., a subsidiary of Savage Arms Corp., in the 1930s have breeches much heavier and straight without the bell shape flare at the end. Some of those last Crescent .410-bores were made for 3-inch shells.
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You mean they looked like those, ugly to me, straight side chambers on the Stevens/Savage? Some of those 410s weigh 7 lb.
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I have owned two of these, the trigger pulls were very hard, so when you finally got them to fire the gun was off target, the metal inside was not good according to my gunsmith who worked on the triggers. Not good guns in my two gun opinion.
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It's overpriced by at least 2X.
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You mean they looked like those, ugly to me, straight side chambers on the Stevens/Savage? Some of those 410s weigh 7 lb. You mean like these? Yeah, they're not the prettiest, but they're really kinda neat little .410's. And I'm guessing none of them weigh 7lbs; this one is around 6-6. Later: sorry, looked at the wrong gun. The gun weighs 5lbs-15oz.
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I would think pressure had absolutely nothing to do with those bbl's construction. Max chamber pressure has been traditionally measured at a point 1" from the breech, which ensured always being able to catch the highest peak. Those flares do not extend near an inch so would not assist in containing the max pressure. This construction is purely & simply to reduce the bbls weight while building it on a too large frame. The Stevens may have a more pleasing appearence in many's eyes but does so at the expence of an additionl 1lb 2oz of weight. A proportionately scaled 2 1/2" .410 would not exceed 4-4 1/2 lbs in weight. I have a Crescent built 28ga hammer double which weighs no more than this .410 & have used several 20gas over the years which went from 6 to 6 1/4 lbs. Many 16gas also do not exceed 6-6 1/2 lbs. Any .410 in excess of 5lbs is an aberration to me.
My helmet is on so blaze away if you desire, but to me putting a pip-squeak shell in a normal weight gun makes about as much sense as building a truck which weighs 5-6 tons empty & giving it a carrying capacity of a half ton.
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No the later barrels are round all the way to the breech balls, just giving one a lot of extra steel to carry.  This gun which is marked New Empire on the left lock and Crescent Fire Arms Co. on the right weighs 6 pounds 2.3 ounces.   I have a few 20- and 28-gauge guns that weigh less.
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It's overpriced by at least 2X.
Chief +1 I have always liked quail hammerless Crescents. Would love to have one for dog trialing, but they always do seem overpriced. I'm also curious about the "maroon" butt plate described in the ad. What kind of butt plate would that be? I don't know if I've ever seen one.
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Due to my dislike of the straight sided Stevens 410s, I got this earlier version; 1930s I believe. 5 lb 14 oz  
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