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Why is it that when someone asks a simple question somebody always has to make a snide and uncalled for reply??

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Originally Posted By: argolee504
actually i wanted to know about lengthening the chambers to shoot the dixie slugs tri ball loads for hogs they also have a very good slug load and they are in 3 inch length No need to be hateful im just looking for information.

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A504: I think what people here are trying to tell you is it may not be a good idea to do this with a nice gun like a Merkel. First of all, the gun will no longer be 'in proof' if you alter the barrels as such. It may well be safe, but you won't know for sure without reproof. If it were up to me, I would leave the Merkel as is and get something else for the hogs.


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what would you suggest to look for i want quality because it is a hog gun does not mean i want a low quality gun I want something i can be proud to own I have a chance at a neumann and a richland

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Originally Posted By: Last Dollar
Old hot rod adage: "When in doubt,bore bigger"


Up here it was always "If in doubt, bore it out..."


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Originally Posted By: btdtst
Why is it that when someone asks a simple question somebody always has to make a snide and uncalled for reply??


Good point and point taken but I am certain no one intends that kind of disrespect. Folks can't stop reacting to hot-button issues that may have stirred up some heated discussion way back.

I think we all apologise for any discomfort caused. Too much coffee will do that.


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Im not looking to offend anyone . I know the people here are vastly more informed on this subject than i am. That is why I came here to ask. I happen to appreciate quality guns and live in a area that has a terrible hog problem. I am looking to use a quality sxs in 12 ga as a slug gun for shooting hogs. The dixie website offeres a 3 inch triball load that has 3 20 ga balls at about 1200 fps that people say are murder on hogs and a heavy hardcast slug of about 730 grains at about 1200 fps. These are what i had wanted to try but the merkel has full and extra full chokes so there is a problem I am looking for suggestions on the safty of doing this and any advice is really appreciated . if there are slugs that are 2 3/4 inch long that have really good performance then i will try that first any help willbe greatly appreciated

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Beretta S x S with 3 inch chambers and open chokes might suit your needs. If those shells are high powers, which surely they are, will be real hard on any double with lots of shooting.


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Originally Posted By: btdtst
Why is it that when someone asks a simple question somebody always has to make a snide and uncalled for reply??


+1, btdtst. But, then again, some of the folks here get snide, just because.

To the main question: IIRC the Merkel model 8 was the low end of their line during DDR times. Please check the proof date on your gun - it'll be 3 or 4 numbers on the barrel flats, the month and year. Also, look on the hooks for a Q1 mark, often stylized with a triangle. The Q1 stands for first (export) quality, another sign of their best (Combloc) workmanship.

If the last two numbers of the proof date are less than 90, it's a DDR gun and no great harm to value will come from the kind of redo you're talking about. Do not expect a DDR gun to handle steel shot, though. They were not made for it.

There's a good bit of meat in the barrels of the average Merkel/Simson/Thalmann boxlock from that time period so, without looking at the gun, I'll speculate you can open the chambers safely. The final determination on that will have to be done by a good smith.

If you're going to shoot anything bigger than birdshot, though, you're going to have to open the chokes. As I understand your intent, i.e., that this be a hog gun exclusively, you may want to go to a straight cylinder and lengthen the forcing cones, too. Even so, as noted upthread, this kind of use is going to be very hard on the gun. If you have any kind of choke in a double and put tight-fitting, high velocity slugs through it, you're very likely to put bulges in the barrels and may even separate the ribs from the barrels in that area. This does not apply to Brenneke slugs - they were designed and made for German guns with their tight chokes, to be used on wild boar and other large game. If you get some Brenneke slugs and use them, you probably won't have to get any gunsmithing work done at all. Also be aware that you are going to have to check the regulation of your gun - the relative points of impact - to make sure the loads you're using will shoot where you want. You may find out that loads other than the ones you currently intend to use will be more accurate. I'd make a point of checking that it hits both barrels where you aim before going looking for trouble with hogs.

All that said, if I were going to do something like you're proposing, I'd get in touch with Mike Orlen of Amherst, Mass. and kick it around with him. He's got a very good reputation for both the quality, price and speed of his barrel work (but not bluing). I've dealt with him on one gun and was quite satisfied in all aspects. You can google up his name and it will bring up his price list and contact info. Be sure to join the Shotgunworld site and let him know you post there, too - you can get the dealer prices if you do.


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A couple other nice guns with 3" chambers are the Browning BSS (12g & 20g), SKB 100,150,200,280. I could be wrong on some of the SKB's as I've never owned any.

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In my experience, you'll find the best slug accuracy with somewhere between 0.015" and 0.005" of choke.

In an ideal world, with as much choke as you have, a guy with a Sunnen type hone could "regulate" p.o.i. at the choke.

Or you could start with one of these: http://www.gunsinternational.com/Manufrance-Robust-12ga-Shot-Ball-BLNE.cfm?gun_id=100222159

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