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All it really shows is that the plugs were out, unless you can measure jug choking, that would have been done at the same time. Is the keel piece loose (the short rib, bottom rear)?

Strip and relay is not required for plug removal.

I was around a lot of percussion double, but that was nearly two decades ago. I saw more than one set of barrels literally fall apart during a trap match, loops and ribs falling off and brls separating, but never saw a barrel come apart.

Guys have always seem to see guns being safer than I did, always being very cautious. I sure wish I had pics of my 14 ga. or my original English single barreled flintlock 11 gauge... I bet I put 1000 rounds through that gun before retiring it.

American Fowler brochure (scan from the Archives circa 1985) fortunately I still own this gun.

You may be right O Killer of Brant, but then again it looks the same as the screw on the left lock. I think a trip to "I " may be in order on my up to Colt, he'll have an opinion I'm sure. The owner wants me to run it by him anyway..




SDH, the keel strip doesn't seem loose in the normal sense of the word when we speak of ribs but then again it looks like it could use some more solder under there to fill up the empty space. But, as I said, the barrels do ring beautifully. What does the "3" signify? Barrel weight?



BTW, are the breech plugs threaded or soldered in?

No they are not soldered.

No they are not soldered or threaded? Then how are they held in?

Threaded, but one over the top of the other, that's part of what makes them difficult to remove... and perfectly replace.

I will agree with Joe here on the Jug Choking, it "Can" be done from the muzzle. It is more convenient to do it with both ends of the bbl open, bt not an absolute necessity. In either case it is necessary to expand the reamer within the confines of the Jug & then collapse it for removal.

I've never used a reamer for the jug choking I've done. It was always accomplished on a lathe with a boring bar.
I'd sure like to see the reamer you can expand and contract from inside the bore???
For that matter, I'd like to see an explanation of how jug choking can be done with any reamer? Preferably from someone who has jug choked barrels...

SDH;
I have never actually jugged a bbl by any means. I did spend 35+ years working in macne shops so familar wth most aspects of metal working. For ceretain with a boring bar in a lathe it would matter not if the bore were open or not. Easiest of course would be on an individual bbl, then the breech could be simply chucked & muzzle run in a steady rest. To do it on a double I would build a fixture to put the muzzles in, chuck the breeches with bore of the bbl to choke on a center & turn the fixture true to run in steady rest. Either way it would, once set-up, be quite simple to bore the jug.

I don't know per-sey that reamer was actually the proper term, but used it for want of a better one. I saw a drawing on this in a feature the Rifleman used to run, back in the good old days. It used a flat tool steel blade let down for a tight fit into a wood dowel. The center of the dowel was drilled for a pin having a taper section at the end. To start the blade had to be down so it would enter the bore of course, then it was wedged up tight from one end to start the cutting. By continual adjusting & cutting according to the author a nice jug choke could be worked in. It might be more correct to call this a hand operted boring bar. The tool should be jacked up on the end away from the muzzle so the jug will end with a cone toward muzzle.

This was given as a way to choke ML'ers without the necessity of pulling the breech plugs. While it may not be the ideal it is a possibility. If I have learned nothing else in what will,in about another 6 weeks be 74 years, it is that if one uses the terms "Never" or "Always" it will "Nearly Always" come back & bite you.

I've never did it but have talked with a few older guys that have and I recall them saying they used an expandable reamer...

How else are you going to jug choke a gun without reaming the entire barrel ?

I simply get tired of the amount of misinformation presented here by those who have never, nor will ever do what they are presenting as fact...
I'd still like to see any reamer that could be adjusted from the muzzle end of a shotgun barrel while in the bore.

Joe, Google BORING BAR, Lathe....
Then try to find out what an expandable reamer looks like...
For that matter, you might try to find out what a jug choke looks like.
I quit.