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I have a general question on sleeved barrels. If the sleeving was done properly in England, the gun so marked and proofed, is there any disavantage to the sleeved barrels other than not being original? Does sleeving, properly done, greatly effect the price of a double gun? Thanks, Steve
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Yes, it does. Unfortunately, it reduces the price of a gun greatly. If the point of attachment is "invisible" it helps, but my experience has been that fellows just turn away from them.
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It often affects the balance of the gun especially if you are replacing damascus barrels. But, it's better then losing the gun, if it's a nice one. T
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Sleeving will likely change the balance most if the original barrels have been honed down to the point that there is insufficient thickness to use the gun any longer. Its also likely that the sleeved gun will approximate the original balance if the sleeved barrels are the same length as the originals...Geo
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nhunter: Please take all of this with a healthy dose of salt. Unless one has access to the original order specifications, it is impossible to know the weight or "balance" of a gun as-built. If it needs sleeving today, and you get a good craftsman to do the job, the gun can still be balanced nicely - even to suit you. What's more, you'll have a gun that's supremely safe, looks good, and will serve for another century. All at a price far less than foolish purists prefer to pay for originality. Then again, it's their money. And the economy needs a boost.
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yes sleeving affects value, but if done well they can be better and stonger than the original barrels, and have the benefit of nitro proof e.g. damascus to steel barrels. Whilst damascus are more desirable, as a shooter modern sleeved barrels are structuraly better. The system can be likened to Beretta / Browning / Miroku monobloc barrels.
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Hypotheticaly .Gun in original condition $3000. Same gun with sleeved barrels $ 2250 . Same gun with scrap unuseable barrels $ 200. So how much has sleeving affected the guns value?
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Actualy you can not compare a sleeved gun to a gun built on a monoblock . There are many factors that have to be taken into consideration , type of lump join ,stength of braze age etc.Point is that sleeving can prolong the life of a gun for a quarter of the cost of new barrels . 40 years ago it was held that a sleeved barrel would have a life expectancy of around 20/25 years . I see guns that were sleeved in the early 60's that are still in reglar use .
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Please give us an example of someone 40 years ago who said a sleeved gun would self destruct in 25 years.
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I don't mind owning/shooting sleeved guns. It is a complicated area. Take a Grant SLE with .021 thin barrels and pits, you'd have to discount the gun, because most folks don't buy <.020.
So here is a valuable gun, with some life left in it, if you don't mind the pits. Folks who can afford Grants, don't want them "near death". Does sleeving make it more valuable, no, more useable/saleable (than a thin barreled gun), yes.
It costs $2500-3000 to get a gun sleeved if you start in the US and send the gun get sleeved/proofed in the UK. I always look at a sleeved gun and deduct how much it would have cost me to have the gun sleeved.
I have seen many guns where, I felt they were paying me to take the gun. Take any 12 BLNE that has been sleeved, in today's market you'd never recoupe the cost of sleeving. I consider those guns (especially the BLEs) a tremendous value.
The other option is rebarreling. 5000 gbp min. If you want the original makers name engraved on the new barrels you have to go to the maker or a gunsmith who is licensed to use the name. That knocks out any but the Best Guns (another massive debate that I won't touch on in this thread).
Joe
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