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I have a pair (12 bore and 20 bore) of sidelock O/U guns by Ugartechea that have Kersten bolting. To be sure, they are clones of the Merkel 303, so the design at least is German, but not the origin. Made in Spain, of course. That may not be the answer you were looking for, OWD.
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Just a note Bohler is Austrian almost German but not quite. I equate their use as the same as Krupt or Whitworth from guns made at the turn of the century. i.e. only on the best
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As Gil mentions, the method of joining the barrels into the "monoblock" and then rolling or otherwise engraving a pattern around the join line is very much an Italian thing. I don't remember seeing that on any German gun. I also wish they would not use that method, I personally think fine guns should have an invisible seam.
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OWD,not me. The Austrian (germanic as they come) gun I have has Kersten locks that include underlugs as compared to Cman's that only has the crossbolt (like the Beretta SO's). First time I see that hinge system too. JC(AL) P.S.: Cman, "Fabbrizioli Mario" appears here towards the bottom of the list of Italian gunmakers but no additional information: http://www.earmi.it/armi/database/armieri.htmJC
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After Chief's post I have to correct myself: the o/u
AYA's have Kersten locks too. Also "Spanish Merkels".
JC(AL)
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JayCee,
Nice catch. I didn't know about that page on the site. So "Fabbrizioli Mario" was registered as a gunsmith with a trademark at the "Test bench of Gardone Val Trompia (Brescia) from 1945 to 1980".
Interesting, I don't see any other proof marks on the gun. I would not have thought that was possible, but there is always something to learn...
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I can't make out the markings on the barrel, forward of the chambers. Wonder if those might tell us something more about the gun?
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LBrown . . . The markings you are asking about are:
Boehier Stahl Cromate
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"Chromed Boehler Steel"
A curious mix of German and Italian.
JC(AL)
P.S.: Pete what it actually says is that the list includes the
Italian gunmakers that registered their marque between the
years 1945 and 1980 and the list is app. in order of
registration. Obviously a lot were active before these dates.
(No wonder Beretta is the first) JC
Last edited by JayCee; 02/18/07 07:24 PM.
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Italy 1955, less than 10 yrs post WWll
Where could you buy the forgings and barrels if you were a small shop?
It's a beautiful shotgun. But I think any of the small shops had help during that era. It would be nice to see within the lockplates.
There are thousands of hours in that gun, no matter where the raw stuff came from. It's a real gem.
Out there doing it best I can.
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