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W Greener and his son WW Greener fell out so the story goes over the advent of breech loaders .. The old man thought that they were a passing fad and would not catch on .On his death WW bought out or took over the remains of his Fathers buisiness.W Greener started working in Newcastle on Tyne and WW was born there but he moved to Birmingham to be closer to the main trade.
In Newcastle Greener is rather forgotten as he was over shadowed by the later W R Pape .

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Originally Posted By: Rockdoc
jOe, I know that you are very experienced with muzzle loaders and I have certainly enjoyed reading and learning from your posts. For me cleanup's not the issue, it's reloading in the field. I use a 12 gauge 1973 Pedersoli occassionaly that at 5.5#'s is great to carry, but because of the PITA reloading I end up choosing my shots more carefully (no "Hail Mary shots"). For me, cleanup after the hunt is nothing.
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Fast reloading during the hunt is nothing if you know what you're doing.

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Once the new wears off they are a pain in the butt to hunt with.

jOe, I know that you are very experienced with muzzle loaders and I have certainly enjoyed reading and learning from your posts. For me cleanup's not the issue, it's reloading in the field. I use a 12 gauge 1973 Pedersoli occassionaly that at 5.5#'s is great to carry, but because of the PITA reloading I end up choosing my shots more carefully (no "Hail Mary shots"). For me, cleanup after the hunt is nothing.
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Well they are what they are but that's the beauty of it. For some the romance never wears thin.

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I guess I'm not a role player....

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I guess I'm not a role player....


You are but in a different era.

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
Originally Posted By: Rockdoc
jOe, I know that you are very experienced with muzzle loaders and I have certainly enjoyed reading and learning from your posts. For me cleanup's not the issue, it's reloading in the field. I use a 12 gauge 1973 Pedersoli occassionaly that at 5.5#'s is great to carry, but because of the PITA reloading I end up choosing my shots more carefully (no "Hail Mary shots"). For me, cleanup after the hunt is nothing.
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Fast reloading during the hunt is nothing if you know what you're doing.

jOe when I'm out in the field I carry small medical sample vials filled with premeasured shot and powder loads, I have my caps in a cap dispenser, and a bag full of wads (I use 2 over-powder wads between the shot and powder and split an over-powder wad in two for an over-shot wad. My reloading's not slow at all, but it's still so much more of a nusiance than just slipping a shotgun shell in the breach, especially when the barrels begin to get dirty. I suppose my feelings were shared by earlier shooters since breach loaders soon dominated the market.

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Originally Posted By: HomelessjOe
I guess I'm not a role player....


You are but in a different era.


Would that be the Jurassic or Cretaceous Era? laugh


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Originally Posted By: PM
Once the new wears off they are a pain in the butt to hunt with.

jOe, I know that you are very experienced with muzzle loaders and I have certainly enjoyed reading and learning from your posts. For me cleanup's not the issue, it's reloading in the field. I use a 12 gauge 1973 Pedersoli occassionaly that at 5.5#'s is great to carry, but because of the PITA reloading I end up choosing my shots more carefully (no "Hail Mary shots"). For me, cleanup after the hunt is nothing.
Steve


Well they are what they are but that's the beauty of it. For some the romance never wears thin.


Don't you guys know anything yet? If Joe doesn't like something, no one else is supposed to like it either. Since he said he has used more muzzleloaders than everyone else combined, there is no possible way someone else could possibly use one and get a lifetime of enjoyment out of them. How dare any of you even mention that you actually like to hunt with them, and that cleaning them isn't really that big of a chore! You don't know anything.

Joe, please give us some other words of wisdom so we can all be saved from our own stupidity.


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Very interesting conversation guys.... eek

I would still love to see some more examples of W. Greener guns...nobody has any?

I just did a new search and was able to find this beauty...this is apparently one of the guns he made for Prince Albert.... here is the link...
www.icollector.com/W-Greener-best-quality-10ga-side-by-side-doub...

I probably will post this gun in the for sale section at some point...still I would prefer to make a trade...I'm not looking for an "arm and a leg"....just a decent trade....If anyone is interested let me know....

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Originally Posted By: Flintfan

Joe, please give us some other words of wisdom so we can all be saved from our own stupidity.


For you I expect there is no hope of that

For the rest of us Americans there's always two sides to every coin and last time I checked we still got to choose.

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