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I must say this is the best treatise I have read in defense of 2nd amendment rights, written by guys who think the same as I do, but able to express themselves much more eloquently.

I'm savin' it.

Thank you Greg Tag, et.al.

Reality, for the vast majority of Americans, whether perceived or otherwise, is what the network news, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, tells you it is and they are blatantly anti-gun. It won’t be long now before the restrictions start rolling out of Washington/Hollywood.

Is Mr. Zumbo, like so many here, merely saying how he feels about some automatic firearms as double owners do? This board influenced my decision to get rid of clickety-clacks and become the purist of my youth. I've taken up archery again and thinking differently about the boom-bangs.

David Petzal and Jim Zumbo may be espousing a "lighter footprint" of environmentalism to draw off unreasoned heat, to set out clearly that sportsmen aren't group-think. Rightly or wrongly, justified or otherwise, in this case, leaders lead and from what I'm reading here he's done well for sportsmen for a long time.

Personally, I've been bolt-action since 1939 and wouldn't hunt seriously with a guy carrying an AR-15. The first shot counts. Saying that in a public forum should not be "a death wish" any more than saying we're liberal or conservative, Mormon or atheist (although the latter is apparently the most despised minority in the United States). Must we choose between PBS, CNN and Fox News?

All the above, of course, are welcomed in our home.

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I'm a hunter and like Zumbo I see no need for the hunter to own a military type firearm.

The Founding Fathers could not envision the warfare and weaponry of today. As I said earlier, there was little difference in weaponry between redcoats and Continentals.

Today's infantry works with communications, armor, air support, firepower and training that can quickly overwhelm untrained civilians with small arms. Most US casualties in Iraq have come from IEDs and car bombs, which are indiscriminate weapons more lethal to unarmed civilians than to "the occupying forces" - hardly what the Founding Fathers envisioned.



Not "simply because," but nationalism is a superb motivator and plays a huge role in the Balkans. But remember that Yugoslavia was a cobbled-together police state that had lost its ramrod leader and was in a state of economic and moral disintegration at the time. The Serb forces were indifferently equipped and badly led and did not have access to the military technology of the modern state.



And they lost. Even back in the days of cannon-fodder armies, small arms didn't hold up well against armor, artillery and air power.



Again, working with substantial outside support (including US missiles) against a demoralized army from a bankrupt country, and soldiered by deeply religious people who cheerfully gave up their lives for Allah.

Even our Founding Fathers and our Continentals wouldn't have made it without two great advantages: (1) the redcoats were two months and 3,000 miles from their logistical base, and (2) we got significant financial, material, military and naval support from France. Somehow, I don't think we'll be able to count on French support next time.

The days of cannon-fodder armies are over, and the daydream of glory a la Sergeant York is being blown away by satellites, GPS, Hellfire missiles, Blackhawks, field computers, and weaponry beyond imagining by the Founding Fathers.

Fortunately, most of the guys who fondle their Chinese junk ARs and dream of glory will grow up before they hurt someone. Those who don't can be handled easily by any small town police SWAT team.

Let's hope they do.

Joe, if you don't care to own a military style firearm, that's fine, and I'll support your right to feel that way and to hunt with the firearm of your choice. BUT, if someone else happens to hunt happily, safely and ethically with an AR-15, do you have the right to tell him he can't, and to even suggest that he "doesn't need" that particular gun?

As has been stated here, the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. It is a right that all of us, whether we own fine double guns or black semi-autos, enjoy and had better start defending with much vigor or we're going to loose out big-time.

Let the camel get his nose under the tent flap, and pretty soon he'll be inside. Same thing with the anti-gun crowd. I've come to the conclusion over the years that it really doesn't matter what type of firearm you choose, the anti-gunn crowd wants them all. Thus the fight against gun control must include ALL firearms whether they be Parkers, Colt SAAs, AR-15s or single-shot .22s. Lose one type, and we're likely to lose them all.

What will you do when they eventually get around to confiscating your nice sporting guns?

Keep the faith...

Ed

I drive a car and I see no need for a car driver to own a motorcycle. Motorcycles can go really fast and are quite dangerous, especially to the children.

That mauser bolt action rifle should get shitcanned. Oh yeah,that G&H Springfield 03 goes too. The rolling blocks shouldn't be kept by hunters either. Don't even think of hunting with a peacemaker, the cavalry version is evil.

The source of prejudice *spit* is usually ignorance and fear.

The camels nose is already under the tent flap.

The general public should have never been allowed to own an assault type Military Weapon.

Yeti do you like to chew tabacco while you play Rambo ?