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Eightbore, I looked in my ISSF Rulebook and T 9 65 7 says the shooter may refuse the shot if the target is not released immediately after the shooter's call. Now you have me curious, because I was discussing Pia Hansen's antics with Lloyd Woodhouse while watching her bounce pellets off the top of the bunker, Lloyd said putting a slight delay in would cure that, I thought they did.
I'll ask USA Shooting about that. Lloyd has retired, of course.

Curious. Russia has some of the least shooting-friendly environments ever - there are only three or four cities that have a decent clay range, maybe five, guns and ammo are three times as expensive as in the US (and don't forget the average income is still only a fifth of the US), the sponsorships for beginners are almost unheard of (basicly, for a youngster, if your parents can't afford it, you're out). The US, on the contrary, is probably the most shooting-friendly country in the world. Yet Russia had two shooters in qualification (only a bird or two, literally, off the finals), and the US... So much for Olympics as an indicator of a country's development.

It was a fun final to watch, though. Who would have thought the Croatian that jumped into the last wagon to the finals, had a chance for the gold? Yet, here you go!

And, poor Michael Diamond. He's got my simpathies.

Mike, I just read the 2009 rules. It specifies a 0 to 1 second window for doubles, but doesn't state anything for regular trap. Lloyd went out in 2008, so the 0 to 1 rule might have appeared for the first time in those 2009 rules. I can't imagine how bouncing shot off the bunker roof can work in regular trap unless the shooter has memorized the entire sequence. After all, the birds don't come out at the same place. I think you are thinking of the doubles event. I would like to hear Wonko's take on this. Knowing a little about Lloyd's demeanor, I can't imagine he took all that bouncing of the shot too seriously. I think Lloyd was pulling your leg and got away with it.

So right off the top I'm gonna disqualify myself as any kinda authority - I'm not. And here's what I know about it. There is no delay other than the closing switches, circuits, solenoids, target traveling the arm, etc. If there is a delay like is supposedly in the ATA vox releases, it is just one so that the release is not instantaneous, like maybe a few microseconds. But that seems unlikely since that small a delay would be very difficult to standardize considering all the different brands of machines. And if there is one thing the ISSF loves, it is "standard". Int'l skeet however does have a delay and it is even variable - talk about nasty! But like I said - I don't know but it sure doesn't have any delay for me.
As to spot shooting the bunker targets - there is a point just outside the bunker where the targets from the set of three machines all cross. Variable heights and angles will make that point more of an "area", but I suppose w/ a sorta open choke it might be possible to spot shoot them there. Even if that did prove a workable scheme in the past, I would have to wonder just how successful it would be w/ the current 24gm loads cuz 24gm just doesn't have many shot of any size in it. Also that would be a maybe 16-17meter shot and that is not much distance for any choke to open up much. As to the bouncing shot - that would have to have been just some strays, prolly from the cyl choke if that was what she was using.

There are some mega-fast shooters tho. The above mentioned Bill Bartels was a regular member of the bunch I used to shoot w/ at the old Martinez bunker. He regularly broke targets at distances where I was just getting handle on which direction they were going. But he was definitely not spot shooting, just alien life form quick.

HTH

have a day

Dr.WtS

Eightbore,
Lloyd was furious with Pia, we complained to her manager, who laughed at us and we called the Jury over to watch her. I wanted to know if I could no-bird her when she was on my squad, the jury had a meeting and said I could not no-bird her as there was nothing in the rules to stop her, but they all agreed the practice must stop. and stop it they did
Yes, doubles it was, come to think of it, where she know the bird was going. She shot at the front edge of the bunker as soon as she called. She hit them about 3 feet out. I was there, you were not.
I do not think I specified trap singles. but I was correct for the doubles.
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Mike

I conceded that it would be possible in doubles in my earlier post. I can't figure out why anyone would give a damn. Spreading a strip of canvas over the front foot of the bunker roof would be a whole lot simpler than reprogramming the computers.

It was upsetting the other shooters, that is why we gave several damns.
Obviously you have never shot International Trap at the top levels. Is your name Karl Lippard, by any chance?

Sure - spot shooting the first in doubles would not be all that difficult w/ some practice. Its a wonder that more people didn't do it actually. Inventive as people are generally. Tho I would really question the part about bouncing the shot off the top of the bunker. Sloppy pointing could get a few bouncers but the whole charge? Why introduce another variable into the mix for no reason? And effectively grossly reduce the pattern to a horizontal planar rather than vertical circular shape. I mean, WTF??

In ATA, w/ the slower targets, spot shooting the first bird is a way common practice. IC choke, 9's, put the bbl level on the target line and pull the trigger when the bird emerges from the house. TabA/SlotB really and easy to spot the folks doing it. So easy that even I can do it.

have a day

Dr.WtS

No, I am not presumptuous on the level of Karl Lippard, but I think any jury could prevent a shooter from vandalizing the lid of a bunker. Spot shooting a first bird is one thing, doing damage to the bunker is another.