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This is interesting.

Mechanically the gun bears almost all the marks of a similar Prussian Daly of the period (forend lug, action bolsters, shape of the dollshead, etc, etc.), to include the engraving pattern.

It is the marking ahead of the abrrel flats that are the head scratcher. The mark ahead of the serial number is a new one on me. I can't quite make out what is inside the circle under the crown (??). By chance are they crossed pistols that the vertical line is runing through? The serial number also does not fit in with any other period makers I could find, but that is less surprising.

Is there an Anson & Deeley brevete mark on the breech face?

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It would have been manufactured from 1884 forward:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=58lCAAA...264&f=false

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post272601
The Permission Use Number if there will possibly provide insight.

I think I have seen the tube maker's stamp or something similar as the Scholberg klan comes to mind.

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20s/a%20scholberg%20gb.htm
I'll need to set aside a bit of time to perform some comparision.

Sure there were a few Suhl concerns that potentially could have had serialization at 11k but I would think it points to a Liege maker(or Birmingham??) as does the Crown over encircled speared crossed palms. But like Ken notes all the signature features of a Lindner sourced sporting weapon are there. Closely examine the tubes near the lower rib just forward of the flats for initials. Images of the flats & water table would be most insightful.

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The number on the barrels is not in the range for a Lindner made gun.....if that is a serial number. I think the Lindner made guns that did not end up being sold as Daly's still followed the same numbering sequence as the Dalys. The gun looks to be in nice condition.
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Originally Posted By: ellenbr
It would have been manufactured from 1884 forward:

http://www.google.com/patents?id=58lCAAA...264&f=false

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post272601
The Permission Use Number if there will possibly provide insight.

I think I have seen the tube maker's stamp or something similar as the Scholberg klan comes to mind.

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/artisans%20identifies%20s/a%20scholberg%20gb.htm
I'll need to set aside a bit of time to perform some comparision.

Sure there were a few Suhl concerns that potentially could have had serialization at 11k but I would think it points to a Liege maker(or Birmingham??) as does the Crown over encircled speared crossed palms. But like Ken notes all the signature features of a Lindner sourced sporting weapon are there. Closely examine the tubes near the lower rib just forward of the flats for initials. Images of the flats & water table would be most insightful.

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Joncla & Sylva Scholberg used a coconut palm tree as part of their trademark. The dealings of the Scholberg clan were far reaching:
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/art...0silva%20gb.htm

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John Prey Lower peddled example



Paul Scholberg tube stamp of S surmounting a set of crossed palms

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"John Prey "Jp" Lower, son of George and Catherine Lower. He was an old west Colorado pioneer gunsmith & firearms retailer. His store was called "Sportsmens Depot". He was well known in the day. He was friends of Sam Colt & Col Sharp who were makers of their respective famous firearms. He also knew Remington, Smith and Wesson, Christian Sharps and Winchester. Many famous people bought or had firearms repaired at his shop in Denver, such as Buffalo Bill Cody, Kit Carson, George and Tom Custer and many others famous and not. Many well known American Indians would come to his store to trade for firearms. He was a crack shot and it was said at one time he could hit a dime tossed in the air at 30 feet. He was said to be the first firearms retailer west of the Mississippi back when he started out in Denver. He was born in 1833 in Philadelphia and grew up having a love of firearms. This desire eventually led him as a young man to a very young and growing Denver in Colorado territory not yet a state of the union and without a firearms dealer in what must of been a badly needed commodity to say the least! So JP would start his own store selling firearms and fulfill his passion. He must of thanked his lucky stars for this oportunity that was bestowed on him to be in just the right time and place in history. Many of the weapons would have his name proudley displayed on the side. If transported back in time to his store it would be wonderous to see the tale unfold and the people who shopped there or to venture in for gun repair or ammo or the latest upgraded weapon in a day and age when walking the streets with a loaded firearm was common. It makes ones mind wonder. People coming from miles around just to venture into his store after hours on horseback and then tieing and watering their horse just out front of his store. He surly must of had hours of stories to tell of the people who delt with him to buy and trade weapons within his shop walls and then test the weapon out back before laws were made in the new town. They might talk and smoke or chew tobacco and spit in the can. He died August 22nd 1917 and by then so much had changed in the lifetime since begining in Denver. Much indeed. He is buried in Riverside Cemetery in Denver Colorado. I happened opon his grave one day while I was photographing graves there. I did not know at the time that his was one that held such high esteem and wonder. I surly would have loved to hear his tales, yet I feel as if he led me there to him as I remember back to this pulling or suggestive draw and strange almost, yes, curious feeling I got. Later I would look him up thinking there might be something to this feeling and I was correct feeling I had almost uncontroled excitment finding out or rediscovering a ledgend, yet now sadly unknown. Laugh if you will but it is true. It is an honor to tell a very short few tales of the man wondering about the many what must of been thousands he took with him to the grave. He is buried along side his family in a modest grave also telling me of himself to not being a braggart to draw attention. No I should think not. This was a man of high esteem, pride with honor and modest maner, yet a man that must of had hundreds at his funeral and thousands who walked the creaky wood floors in his Denver firearms store and all would revere his name back in the day. Sadly he would outlive his son George, daughters Kate and Fannie and wife Fannie in his 84 years on this earth. They are resting beside him. Rest in peace JP."

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35385263

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OK guys, looks like the photos made it. Opinions?

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Raimey,

Those are crossed coconut palms. The mark above it was registered as REGINA, also to the Scholbergs.

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There are no markings on the breech face or table.

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They are crossed pistols with a distict rifle running through like a slash. Has a stock and lock and barrel visible.

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