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Gun is in fine condition, mirror bores. I shoot it sometimes at trap and five stand meets. If you go to www.davelanaracolts.com you'll find on the first page a link to photos. It is in the second last paragraph concerning J.P. Lower's histoy. I have four shots on the left of the history page. I also have an 1886 catalog for J.P. Lower in which this very gun is on the inside cover done in an ink litho. Gun cost 200 bucks at that time. Will post photos of the catalog soon and thanks for help on this. Trying to nail down who made these guns for him.
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Those are crossed coconut palms. The mark above it was registered as REGINA, also to the Scholbergs.
Are you referring to the encircled Poldi stamp? A rifle instead of a spear, hum? Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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As several have stated, it has the characteristics of a Lindner sourced sporting weapon with the frame, forend "bump"(possibly Triebel), wide forend hanger & the engraving, which might be confirmed by Henrik Frühauf, is that of Hugo Kolb. I would say Suhl sourced and J.P. Lower added very little to the effort. Would really like to see the catalogue.
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J.P. Lower spent 5 months touring Europe with his wife in 1884-85. I surmise that he made several contacts with gun firms there, as was his practice in the states. Side by side, this gun looks just like a Prussian Charles Daly, right down to the ribbon logo. I have seen three other totally different shotguns with no other marking other than his. Currenly have a hammer SXS with a left hand under lever with back action locks. Lowere sought contracts with many firms and at times built guns from surplus parts.
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Definetely not a spear. The mystery deepens I guess. Talked to the German shotgun collectors association and they have not found anything yet on these stampings to date.
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Many of the GGCA members are here. Is there a serial number on the triggerbow? Other than the overhanging scears, there doesn't seem to be too much deviation from the one below: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...809d6c860bbaadbI've read that at one point J.P. Lower had quite a bit of capital so he may have made a deal with Auguste Francotte for a parts kit and had the Daly Suhl contingent to complete the sporting weapon. I have serious reservations that he finished any similar scatterguns. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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I don't believe he was into the assembly from part idea in the mid 80s. He was worth over 100 thousand dollars that year and had no reason to work that hard. I think he contracted, perhaps as you said, through Shoverling, Gales and Daly to get these imported to the US with his name on them. I have never seen another like this and since I bought it in Denver five years ago, it may have belonged to him. He typically had samples of special gun on display, so that customers could order. Did this with Sharps and Colts too. He also carried Parkers and other brands.
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With the fixed blades I've seen with his name, I wonder if he was connected to Wiebusch & Hilger Company(actually F. Wiebusch & Company prior to 1893 - Walter M. Taussig (1862-1923(self inflicted gunshot to the head)) of New York. I'm sure he sourced his Bowie knives. Unless he had an import house, someone had to import the wares. Some concern was his connection to the talent pool in Suhl. What is the length of the frame on your double?
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Just to appease us can you pleasure us with an image of the area between the firing pins on the standing breech? What type buttplate does it wear?
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