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Raimey,
It's not so much that I doubt it's 9.3x75R Nimrod as I can't find authoritative info for such a cartridge in my admittedly poor references( I don't have Datig).Nonte shows making cases for what he refers to as 9.3x75 Nimrod. This case has a head size similar to 9.3x72R Norm.,but he showed using a .380 bullet.This bullet diameter would fit a "bore" dia.of 9.3.Municion shows a cartridge with a head size close to 9.3x74, but a bullet close to 9mm, as 9x74R Forester.This cartridge shows a case length of 74.6mm.In fact different names for these cartridges are listed at the heading and even they confuse the two.The markings on this T&S drilling would fit either 9x74R Forester or an old type 9.3(often had small groove dia.).We too often think the markings placed by the proof house is the nominal caliber,and they are not.I'm not convinced yet that there was even a cartridge called 9.3x75R Nimrod.There are Nimrod drillings marked by the proof house with bore and case length dimensions that could lead to a reasonable assumption that there was such a cartridge.I have asked for chamber dimensions, but haven't seen any. Maybe Axel can straighten us out on this.BTW,a bullet weight of 12grams is a little light even for 9.3x72R Norm.
Mike

Looks to be one of the Express versions based on the 0.360" BPE and cases are known:

http://www.johannsen-jagd.de/data_de/katalog/sammelseiten/Huelsen.pdf
go to the 9,3mm page a few pages down

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

When mine gets here I'll have a chamber cast, bore slug and rifling twist in short order and post it.

Raimey,
Good info,I bookmarked it,thanks. There are no dimensions though, and some are included that are not avaliable(5,6x61R v Hof.S.E.-Gehman).
Mike

Reference the S/N of T&S firearms, were those records lost during WWII?

I'm curious as to the date of manufacture of the one I have coming. If I use the 33XXX in 1910 and a production of approx 800 per year, assuming that is somewhere near correct, mine falls around 1915? That's the second year of WWI...was there much if any production during those war years?

I wouldn't hold to rigidly to the same production for each year and T&S may have rolled out 800 and they may have rolled out 1200 so who knows exactly for now. Also I'm sure it took longer to complete some vs. others. With additional ground truth like DRGMS and some sales receipts some estimate just might be made. Sure, I'd say 1915 with an error or +/- 3 or 4 years. If the cartridge was in use from 1905 - 1910, then your drilling may date between 1910 & 1915.

Ford, I thought you had those dims written on the back of your hand. Use your handy mic for the conversion. Range of use is given as about 1905 - about 1910.

Rim - 12.5mm
Base - 11.0mm
Neck - 10.05mm
Case length - 74.93mm
Bullet - 9.35mm

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
What is the source of your dims? The link above doesn't have dims,just sources.If your source is a website do you have a link? If it's a book,is it still avaliable?Are the dims shown tied to 9.3x75R Nimrod? is it also listed under another name?
I don't use my electronic mic, rather my caliper. Caliper goes to 6", mic is limited to 1". It is very convenient.
Mike

Ford, that came out of W.B. Dixon's cartridge text, page 55 & 56 which are dedicated to the Nimrod cartridges. Examples only exist with Nimrod Gewehrfabrik Suhl or 9.3X75 Nimrod headstamp. No aliases. Noted as having a neck like the 9.3X82R Nimrod.

Sharps, it may be that the T&S records are in the old Suhl jail with the Sauer records. No one has indicated either way.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
Thanks,I'll have to keep my eyes open for a Dixon.
Mike

Yes, Dixon's book is essential for any serious study of European cartridges.

With kind regards,
Jani