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I think you got a deal considering it has the best tube steel available at the time as well as one of the most expensive methods for joining tubes. I guess it to date to the late 1890s and was made either at the Romerwerke facility or the Nimrod. A sort of side bar is that Nimrod, son of Cush, was the first fella to whup upon the roaming beasts and crowned himself king. But he was demonic and slew a few less than 100k babies in an effort to control the destiny of the kingdom.

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Raimey
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This drilling is purported as having D.R.G.M. 242486 on the tubeset, has a Roux underlever and is in the 30k serial range. G.C.Dornheim's D.R.G.M. 223532 for the 8.15X40R dates to 1904 while Vierordt's DRGM 274380 for the 8x62R should date to say 1906 as would the Kersten Modell I under D.R.G.M. 252511. So Gebrauchsmuster 242486 would date to circa 1905(just some ground truth and not related other than a date, Ernst Steigleder sought protection under DRGM Nr. 232449 on July 20th 1904 for a breech-block mechanism). So a date range for this drilling is 1905 - 1908. T&S seemed to be rolling out quite a few per year so if yours is 22k and if the production numbers approached say 800 per year, then it would date to 1895 - 1898 or the late 1890s.

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Raimey
rse

Also term extensions, or Verl�ngerung der Schutzfrist, for D.R.G.M.s/Gebrauchsmuster Nr.241475, 242003, 243380, 252826 were given in January 1908 after a payment of 60 marks was received. So D.R.G.M. 242486 falls in that and with the 3 year protection ending in 1908 all would have been issued circa 1905. I've read that T&S 33xxx was made in 1910, but I don't know if that is sufficient ground truth or not. Adolph Thieme was listed as a gunmaker in the mid 1800s and a Thieme's widow was listed as a businesswoman. There may have been a couple of generations of Adolph Thieme being in the gun trade. Post WWI Adolf Thieme changed his address to somewhere in Spain. I've read that Louis Schlegelmilch was closely involved in Thieme & Schlegelmilch(1850/1852) as well as spending a great deal of time at the Spandau Arsenal. So he was to & fro a bit. A lot of ifs and pure conjecture, but Louis Schlegelmilch was involved and if the subject sporting weapon was sourced from Suhl and possibly completed in Berlin, it would have been closer to have the final pass proofs at the Frankfurt an der Oder facility. Or maybe Louis delivered the sporting weapon to a client in the Berlin area and the client wanted the voluntary semi-smokeless proof so Louis Schlegelmilch took it to the Franfurt proofhouse and that would account for the "Crown" over Gothic F.

I've read German articles that T&S was founded in 1852 but adverts from the late 1800 give 1850. Not much of a difference but it makes you wonder if anyone really knows.


1891 Advert - Gegr�ndet 1850


1891 Advert - Gegr�ndet 1850


Late 1892 Advert


1894 Advert

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Raimey
rse

I found a few more D.R.G.M.s/Gebrauchsmuster assigned to Nimrod Gewehrfabrik Thieme & Schlegelmilch, but not the one for which I was looking:

171605 - Drittes Schlo� an Dreilaufgewehren, welches am Abzugblech angebracht ist und bei dein Hammer und Stange - March 3rd, 1902

175216 - Something centerered around the case wall of a cartridge - April 25th, 1902

194566 - Pistole f�r Schlachtviehbet�ubung - Cattle Stun gun - 02.03.1903

192109 - Visier f�r Schrot und Kugelschu� - Sight for shot & bullet - 12.19.1902

200090 - Bolzenschu�apparat mit F�hrung den Hinteren Teil des Bolzens in der Kan�le ausgespart - 4.03.1902


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Raimey
rse

It seems as Dr. Ben has been on a T&S search. The following are some of his latest acquisitions.












Stamp of 6001 near forend lug & 8,7mm over 72


392xx with a proof date of 3/1925.

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Raimey
rse

I think this one is most interesting as it just might be chambered for the rare bird 9.3X75R Nimrod. Ford, who was elbow deep in wild game chili, thinks otherwise.












Note the Nimrod Nase(Nose)


Nr. 359xx with the script letters DH(DW?) near the forend, 2 stamps of a K in a jagged circle(Louis Kelber), 8.7mm over 75 and a 6808(?) barrel number along with a 12 gram bullet weight.

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Raimey
rse

And another that's all but found a new home.









With the serial number I would guess it experienced proof in the early 1920s with a measurement of 6.3mm. Then in July of 1937 it experienced another proof with a diameter of 6.4mm x 58 1/2mm. Wears another set of script DW(DH) initials.

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Raimey
rse

I have one, profusely engraved, has no forend or iron...I'll dig it out and post pics..........

Missouri Mule Sharps4590 new T&S acquisition:




T&S Nr. 375xx




Barrel number 5806 with B on forend hanger and either HS or RS on lower tube. Looks like T&S stamp also


8,7mm over 74 1/2


Lower tube steel Julienh�tte und Baildonh�tte Special Stahl( William & John Baildon Kattowitz )

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Raimey
rse

Terry Walker's Nimrod drilling in 9.3X82R




T&S Nr. 236xx with 7404 barrel number and initials FH along with a W on the forend hanger.

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Raimey
rse