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Thanks for clarifier on first-reverse, canvasback.

Thanks James. That's a good strategy, but as you say, the government would still have a pretty good idea who had guns. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that data is being saved every time someone makes an Instant Check in this country. Surely that's why politicians like Obama want a transfer done every time a gun changes hands, even from father to son.

I sure hope everyone here gets out to vote next week. We can stop a lot of nonsense at the ballot box, or we can let things go until we find ourselves having to go through what Canadian gunowners have went through.

Barack Hussein Obama has a 100% anti-gun, anti Second Amendment voting record as an Illinois representavive and U.S Senator. He got two very anti gun justices seated on the Supreme Court in his first term. He appointed an extremely anti-gun interim head of the BATF. His Justice Dept. and Attorney General Eric Holder are still stonewalling Congress on Fast and Furious.

In addition, the CDC cut exposure limits for lead in half this year. I look for the anti-gunners to use that as an excuse to try another lead ammo ban.

Barack Hussein Obama has to go.

Just have to hope common sense like that might prevail in Britain. This sort of registration for shotguns came in in the 1990's. Value of lower priced shotguns went down to near nothing as along with the registration came a requirement for secure storeage. There are only two reasons why a Government needs to know what its private citizens own and that is a). To tax aperson on them and b). To be able to confiscate them at a future date should they wish. This happened with our pistols when that (expletive deleted) Tony Blair came to power. I cannot find evidence of one single crime detected through use of gun registration but that is always the reasons given. Lagopus.....

Lagopus (BTW you have about my favorite moniker on here) there is only one reason for registration. And that is confiscation. The ability to tax is a lucky bonus for the gun grabbers but it is confiscation that is behind it.

In Canada, while ostensibly "long guns" were subject only to registration and fall under the "unrestricted" classification, there are two additional classifications that affect most gun owners, "restricted" and "prohibited". All hand guns fall into those two categories but some long guns do as well. Some guns, that were widely distributed prior to the enacting of these laws got made "prohibited" but existing owners were able to be grandfathered. For example, any .32 caliber handgun is prohibited. I guess a .32 is especially lethal, LOL. However, they can only sell to other "grandfathered" owners, so eventually the prohibited guns will have to be destroyed.

What kind of long guns might be restricted? Well, a fully automatic weapon is prohibited in Canada. But the prohibited and restricted designations are applied to specific models by the gun control bureaucracy with no oversight. As a result, guns that were previously legal (like semi-auto rifles that look similar to certain full auto rifles, think Hollywood movies) got re-classified as time went on and when that happened a whole lot of folks got a letter and then a visit from the police, demanding the offending gun or rifle. No compensation. No appeal. Just gone. That's what a registry is for.

The other main issue, as many of us see it, is that with the enacting of bill C68 in 1995, the same bill that brought in the registry, to be a gun owner is to be a criminal and subject to penalties under the Criminal Code of Canada, with all the issues that being a convicted felon can bring. The only way not to be is to be the holder of a current fire arms license. The day your five year license expires, you are now subject to criminal prosecution. And the anti gun people always trot out "why it's the same as a driver's license". Not by a long shot!

We still have a long way to go to stop being treated like criminals.

Well:
Since those is Quebec are so fond of keeping records perhaps we could ship our millions of illegals up to Quebec and they could spend their time trying to keep track of them.
A believe this is the first time a firearms registration system has been rescinded. The is a big step backward for the Socialist's because registration has always been the 1st step toward confiscation. Just look at what happened to the owners of those evil looking semi-autos while the Canadian gun registration system was in effect.
The important thing is to get out and vote next Tuesday and toss the numero uno illegal out of our White House so we can start getting our Country back.
Jim

Canvasback, it is quite similar here. Pistols are odd in that they can fall into one of a number of catagories. Ownership of pistols is virtually banned except on a special certificate for animal slaughtering only; that is as a sort of humane killer and not for hunting. Pre 1918 pistols with no ammunition held can be kept on a special collectors permit except for ones in 9mm. Pistols in what are termed obsolete calibres such as 8mm. Lebel pistol or 8mm. Nambu and other obscure rounds that are no longer commercially available have no restrictions whatsoever and can be bought and kept by anyone even a 5 year old can go and buy one. But if he wants an air pistol he will have to wait until he is 18. If he wants a simple toy pistol then it will have to be painted a bright colour (and that applies to any age). None of it makes the slightest sense. There is currently an attempt to straighten things up as various ammendments have come along and the whole thing is a complicated mess. Lagopus.....

In the 80 years of handgun registration in Canada, there hasn't been public push-back or agitation from our fraternity to pack in public places. Reversal of long-gun registration that turned citizens into criminals was won by a carefully measured appeal to common sense. What remains is shaking out the peculiar anomalies canvasback related above and replacing them with improvements. Militating against it is dying-off of an increasingly older population who wants it and sharply decreasing interest in the shooting sports. Hope rests on a sense of fairness that a majority of citizens provided for the long-gun registration reversal.

King:
For those Canadians that are inclined to go about unarmed; I be glad to drop them off in some selected parts of Arizona and pick them up later,if they can still be found, an see if they changed their minds.
Jim

I believe you, Jim. Respectfully, we are unarmed in Canada because publics generally feel no need for it.

Personally, I lost an engine in a twin at sight-seeing altitude over the hazy purple of desert and cacti and my only fear of Arizona then was rattlesnakes!

Heck, even the Police here are unarmed! Doesn't stop 'em being murdered though. This not too far from me and which a former collegue was also out looking for at the time; unarmed of course. She retired last week and glad to go. I don't suppose being armed would have helped in this case in light of the method used by the killer. Lagopus.....