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We all fervently wish that were true here. It's a far more serious issue in Southern Arizona then where I reside in the Scottsdale area.
Funny you should make your second point today as there's an airshow going on at Scottsdale Airport, which is only a couple of miles away, and we're being treated to F15s,F16s,and F18s going over our home at about 500'. A couple of the widow ladies in the neighborhood called me and asked if we were now at war!!
Jim

King, I don't know what, if any, other firearms forums you follow, but there are two undercurrents in Canada I am seeing lately.

One is a growing realization by hand gun owners (I am not one) that the 80 years of hand gun registry has been just as useless in preventing and solving crime as the 15 years of the registry for long guns. Secondly, as CC grows in the US,(What, now 49 of 50 states or thereabouts? A dramatic increase from 25 years ago) the idea of concealed carry is taking hold up here.

Gunnutz.com, of which I am a member, has 100,000 registered members. And I would hazard a guess the majority don't hunt. They are handgun owners and black gun owners and I am constantly amazed at how young many of them are. I suspect that looking at the traditional shooting sports is not giving a true representation of the numbers involved in gun ownership.

Gun owners in Canada have, statistically, 1/4 the likelihood of being involved in crime WHEN COMPARED TO THE POPULATION AT LARGE. In other words, we ARE the law respecting and abiding population the police and politicians want us all to be. We drag the crime average down in any given jurisdiction. It is not common sense that has been visited upon us, starting in the 1930's, it is shameless politicking, aiming to win the votes of the ignorant.

And BTW, we haven't yet reversed the criminality of gun ownership. That will only happened when our gun laws are removed from the Criminal Code of Canada and turned into regulatory issues, much like the motor vehicle licensing and registration that is so often used by the anti's as a reminder as to why we shouldn't have our panties in a bunch. Idiots!

King, in reference to this from you and my post above, I think you are right, to a degree. We don't need it. Much like great swaths of the US doesn't need CC.

But, as social trends sweep across the US, they often (not always, but often) end up north of the border in some form. I would not be surprised at all to see a growing push to change and relax our handgun laws with the focus being on first, ridding ourselves of the draconian ATT regs, secondly the hand gun registry itself and finally a move towards CC. This is just a guess and my time frame is over the next 20 years.

Logic and statistics are on the side of change. The status quo does nothing to prevent crime and only serves as a placebo for fools.

I've always believed in seeing changes I wanted in my lifetime. Today things change on a dime, politically and technologically. Who would believe that business in Canada---for instance the pending sale to China of a piece of Alberta's oil play---is decided by the "chairmen" of political parties in Beijing and Ottawa? State capitalism rules. Or that the entire electrical system in lagoplus-land is owned and directed from Paris and Spain?

I haven't the slightest idea of what's coming as power shifts around the globe. My American friends hate reference to US cultural, industrial and military reach and influence as an empire but an empire it is. Canada's future in all respects depends on our closest friend and neighbour. Tuesday's decision for the presidency will have more effect on our future than any other time in history.

So what comes north is uncertain for everyone. From a personal point of view, of my 81 years in our dear country, I only know I've seen the best of it.

You're a class act Kingsley and in my opinion you are dead nuts on.......Tuesday is huge for this country and yours as well as the world as a whole.....

Pray with and for us mate.....

For the anti-gunners, it's nothing to worry about.

Take a look at the anti-gun legislation enacted in Germany. They are in the process now of implementing a fully-computerized national gun registry, what they call the NWR.

I was looking up something and came across the FAQ page on the NWR. It's "only" 37 pages long....

What Americans should worry about are the coming fights over, of all things, the Treaty Power contained in the Constitution. Right now, it's pretty much an open question on just how much of government powers and individual rights can be reworked through treaties. The judicial opinions are all over the block, so much so that some of the most recent opinions have quite explicitly begged the Supreme Court to take one or more of the cases in the lower courts and give a clear read on the Treaty Power.

And don't think this will break out on Democratic-Republican lines. It's far more likely to break on corporatist-individual lines, and this court is far more solicitous of business and corporate interests than they are of individual rights.

King, at age 54, I hope there are many good years left for me and I am remain hopeful my country can always look forward to better days, regardless of what has already transpired.

But I would agree with you both on the influence we feel from the US....there is nothing else nearly as impactful upon Canadians and the importance of the upcoming election. Whichever way it goes, the effects will be felt for decades.

Dave, I'm with you on my concern about international treaties and the impact within a nation.

GaryW:

So you want to go to Canada to escape Obama's Socialism! This show your complete ignorance of life in Canada! If the Canadians would allow you to immigrate to Canada, which I doubt, you would see much more Socialism as compared to what Obama would ever put in place!

Oh yes, I bet that you would really enjoy their Obamacare! Canada has a very good blend of Capitalism and Socialism that works well for the PEOPLE!

Before you criticise Socialism, live in a Socialist country for a number of years! Perhaps you could see that it works very well I doubt that you could see the benefits, but you should try it!

I bet that you get your "information" from Faux Entertainment and the NRA! Lol!

Franchi

I grew up in a Socialist State-Massachusetts, I lived in a Socialist State-Illinois** for 16 years I reside next to and unfortunately have to visit the Socialist State of California regularly(family). Living in Arizona for the past 17 years has been like a breath of fresh air.

**Keep in mind that Illinois is the ONLY State where it's impossible to get some type of firearms carry permit. The South Side of Chicago is a virtual warzone because the drug dealers,gang bangers and the rest of the scum of their ilk have no problem getting guns. Honest residents are afraid to walk the streets because thes hoodlums know they are not armed or able to defend themselves. And the left wing socialist administrations solution to solve this homocide problem? Why more "gun control" of course.
Yeah: This is just a snapshot of the "people control" problem wrought by socialism. Tell us about the glories of a Socialistic system.
Oh and BTW: It's apparent from your last remark that,since you have nothing factual to state, you will do what the typical closet commies do here which is debase and try to insult the poster GaryW.
Jim

It is noted the United States maintains a Border Control Agency to "Try" & keep the illegals "Out".
It is equally noted a number of Socialist countries do or have maintained Border control to "Try" & keep the legals ""IN"".