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I believe I saw the 25% fee at the last Holt's auction. Apologies if my memory is faulty.
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Christies and Bonhams charge 25%, Holts charge 22.5%, all figures plus VAT on commission at 20%.
It does not matter which you choose - H&H Royal or Purdey self-opener. You will pay less for a 'Royal' generally, all things being equal.
Don't buy either purely as investments.
Buy the one you like shooting. Shoot it, look after it and be privileged to go afield with a gun of real character and quality.
If you decide, in fifteen years to move it on, if looked after you will get your money back. You may even make a profit. Whatever, you have been using one of the best guns in the world for fifteen years 'rent free'! Not bad in my book.
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I think we are confusing sellers fee and buyers fee above. If you add up all the commissions and taxes and insurance and advertising fees,etc., the seller is lucky to realize 60% of what the buyer finally pays. Probably closer to 50%. Doesn't work for me...
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid,than open it and confirm.
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Julia's waives the seller's commission for items over a certain price ($15k?). I don't know if they are unusual in that regard.
Such a long, long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.
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Hollands and Purdeys are all over the place compared to Hartmann and Weiss guns. Buy one of them ,if you can find one for sale,to realize the best "investment." I also hear that H&W won't be doing anymore guns in the near future or may have already stopped making complete guns.
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Hartmann and Weiss are still building new guns at moment.You can still talk to them about placing orders.
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You can place it. But if you want a shotgun or double rifle, you probably won't get it.
The company already has many years worth of orders on the books for shotguns and DRs, and Mr H & Mr W are well along and getting close to retirement.
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Julia's waives the seller's commission for items over a certain price ($15k?). I don't know if they are unusual in that regard. Don't personally know about Julia's, but seller fees are negotiable with most rooms if you have material they want badly enough. I've done this many times but never with guns, since I neither buy nor sell guns at auction. It's worth a try, at the least.
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The only investment sure to cost more than guns in the long term is a second wife. Invest else where if you want to earn a return. Invest in guns or second wives if you want to see how hard it is to not loose your, uh... shirt.
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I'm looking seriously at a couple of Holland & Holland Royals as guns I can shoot as well as count as an investment.. I have also seen a couple Purdey's in my range that I'm also considering. neither are Damascus. Only going to buy one for now. I know all of the stuff that causes them to depreciate: e.g. condition, alterations, etc.. Any thoughts about WHEN (not if) we go over the FISCAL CLIFF which will be the better investment?? Maybe I should forget both and just keep buying Gold and continue shooting my Parker and Fox… Purdey self-opener made prior to WWI in very good original condition. O/U Boss or Woodward would be even better choice.
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