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Hi all, all Dan is doing is letting folks know that this service is available now. There are a lot of folks who like a ST for whatever reason. Thats fine, personal preference. There are pleny other makers out there other than English that have ST's that double and cause trouble and his ST would solve their problems with the present ST they have or if they wish, convert a DT to a ST. Miller Triggers are well known for there outstanding reliability, more than likely the best in the world.

After all, if the owner of a gun wants this done, it's his gun, not yours. He paid for it and he can do what he wants with it.

Best of luck to you Dan and thanks for letting folks know your doing this.

Best of Luck!

Greg

If a guy really felt he needed a single trigger on his between-the-wars sidelock, wouldn't it be better to convert it to a double single trigger? The front trigger would fire both barrels, but, the asthetic among us would be pleased to find two triggers, the same age of the gun, still in place.
That brand new shiney trigger with the word "Miller" on it, hanging off a sublime English sidelock, seems about like candy pearlescent tangerine ghost flames, painted on a 1909 Rolls Royce. Very out of place.

Best,
Ted

I am a DT man myself, but Boss, Westley Richards, Purdey and others spent a lot of time developing STs for their customers, so clearly not everyone viewed them as out of place on a Brit game gun (not to mention pigeon guns). Replacing bodgered STs with a Miller could be a sensible alternative to costly and uncertain ST repair jobs.

Also, this might be useful for Spanish sxs with STs, which have a notorious reputation, and typically depress the value of those guns. I understand that many of the ST guns (eg AyAs) cannot be converted to DTs, so replacing the questionable Spanish STs with a Miller might actually improve the value of those guns.

Bingo!!!!

Ted,

I understand what you mean. History does however prove that the Brits and us Yanks can build good products together. The P-51 Mustang with the Rolls Royce Merlin engine comes to mind. That combination worked out well for England and the USA!

Would a Miller Single Trigger be acceptable in a British Sidelock if it did not have the word MILLER engraved in it? This is a serious question.

Mark

I had a Wm Evans with a single trigger, and as a Brit contributor here remarked " we never were makers of good single triggers now, were we"
Sometimes my Evans single trigger, a mechanical one, would not reset for the second shot even though it had been checked out by a British gunsmith. I traded it off to a big gunshop for several guns I do use.
However, had I kept that Evans I certainly would have considered a Miller trigger for it.
Good luck, Dan.

Mike,

A dealer in British vintage doubles told me the same, the British single triggers were unreliable. He also stated that the value of my Adkin was less because it had a single rather than double triggers!

In fairness to the British, vintage Parker, Ithaca, and LC Smith single triggers are know to double. I know this from experience. The AH Fox single triggers were pretty reliable.

Live and learn,
Mark

Fellers, single triggers have been around for well over a century....and England was the hotbed of invention and promotion. So they are definitely "vintage". While my personal tastes are for the double triggers I don't think it proper to condemn another's preference. Mr. May is offering a quality product that is time tested. I congratulate him for his effort. Let's be gentlemen on this board!

Well said Joe. I too prefer double triggers, BUT.... If I had a single trigger, Id want a Miller trigger.

I seen several English guns with Miller triggers. Were those factory triggers or aftermarket?.... Or possibly some of both?

Adam

Interesting thread and thoughts here....

Let's see now, it has been noted that Spanish, British and American single triggers are unreliable and double sometimes or fail to reset............there must be a reason don't you think....?....

Anybody with even a little mechanical knowledge knows that the more complex a mechanical device becomes, they more prone it is to failure and problems, thus requiring the proverbial "tune up"......

Double triggers are simple, reliable, not prone to doubling or other issues, such as "required tune ups" or field repairs......where would you put your money....?.....Isn't this why we prefer double barrel shotguns........?......