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Replacing a crappy English single-trigger gun with a Miller makes good sense and as I said I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I would not convert a double trigger English gun to a Miller trigger.

Anybody know anything about the Jurjevic single trigger? I saw one in a Holland Royal once. It seemed very nice and crisp. Reminded me of a krieghoff trigger in terms of crispness. Like the Miller trigger, the intercepting safety sears had to be dismantled for the trigger to operate. How does the Jurjevic trigger compare to the Miller trigger?

Any single trigger that works is acceptable, including the Jurjevic. I'm still looking for that 27" Miller trigger Purdey. Anyone know where it is? wilmrph@verizon.net

The last I heard, Jurjevic built the triggers about 20 years ago, then he went back to his homeland. I have seen them in a few Parkers and others. I don't know if anthing like that is available today.

I was at Les Pitman's shop this year and he showed me the parts to an Italian single trigger he referred to as "a Famars trigger". He said the parts are obtainable for retrofit. It looked very small, especially the bobweight for the disconnector. The parts were very close fitting. Made me wonder how long it would be before dirt and gum would make it malfunction.

The opposite end of the spectrum is the BSS trigger. It looks like it was made for a M60 machinegun. Big parts and definitive functions. My experience with them is that they are reliable.

Doug, you seem a little defensive when it comes to double triggers on shotguns you have repaired/redone over 40 years.
So let's list a few old, junky, American doubles with double triggers that would absolutely double when worn, or dirty, or were just plain poorly designed.........
Start with: Stevens, Savage, Fox, all the various Ithacas, hordes of Folsoms, millions of Crescents, Bakers, Lefevers,(to include Nitro Specials) Elsies, Parkers, Westerns, all the JABCs, all the hardware store clunkers, and on, and on, and..
One of my first awful memories of pheasant hunting when I was 8 yrs old, back in 1958; was of my Dad loading, and snapping shut an LC Smith, and having it discharge BOTH barrels, and blowing a large hole in the gravel road, inches from my feet. (And then catching hell for standing there!)
No, almost all the shotguns, even up to the present, could benefit from the safety of a Miller single trigger.....
Matter-of-fact, I would make a blanket statement: double trigger guns double more frequently that single trigger guns;
while single trigger guns fail-to-fire more frequently.
Here's hoping all your shotguns discharge, if, and when you want them to..... Grant.

Dan, I think that was me, the Brits and the Spaniards have never made good single triggers on side by sides (I think from memory the Boss single trigger has 36 parts !!). There maybe 5 people in the world qualified to work on one that has gone wrong. I don�t have any experience of Miller single triggers, perhaps they work 100% but as some others have stated if you converted a best English double trigger to one of those you have just lost a lot of money. The idea about changing a good Spanish s/s single trigger to a Miller would appeal to me if I used a single trigger on a side by side. I had an AYA No.1 ONCE with a single trigger, never again. You want a single trigger ? Buy an Italian O/U, best, Mike (p.s. the info above was provided by two people, both gunsmiths, both very senior who work at two of the "best makers" in the UK, they are friends, "We�ll make single triggers but we don�t want to"

in one !

It'll be interesting to see how my friend's new Perazzi sxs SST works out....if he ever gets it. Supposedly it will be a drop out assy. I guess the idea with the drop out is you have spares?

Chuck,

I don't have a spare assembly for my two. That's a pretty pricey item. Kind of like having an extra set of barrels in case an ejector breaks. Spring breakage is the only issue I know of with Perazzi triggers. I have never had it happen, however.

By carrying an extra set of springs you can quickly drop out the assembly and swap out the broken spring in just a couple minutes. Very easy to do.

What's he plan to use it for, clays?

SRH