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Which is it King, take no prisoners tail kicker, or ring master of the big tent. All due kudos for your accomplishments, wrong place for my two cents.

King: "believing god favours true believers, is the surest way I know to lose." If that statement was true, Obama would be a historical footnote.

It's as Jim said early on, "If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem. Nuff said."

And I think I know where a certain tro..er..person stands.

King, I think we'd all be very interested in the specifics of what you personally did to reverse the gun registry in Canada. It sounds as if you personally were a driving force in that success story. You make it seem that you did way more than Mr. Average Canadian Gunowner. It might be very instructive, but I don't know because you've only given us very vague generalities so far. I'm conflicted when you say you don't think I personally have done anything to reverse, or win, or forestall gun control initiatives. How do you know that? (You're wrong, by the way, but there is always room for improvement) I also find it odd that you would make that assumption and accusation while at the same time you are ignoring or excusing the overt and not so overt gun-controllers or grabbers who inhabit this forum. I never saw you once, in any way, try to change the minds of anyone who made the knee jerk reccomendation to restrict guns rather than attempt other solutions. But I and others who are passionately pro-2nd Amendment are frequently taken to task by you. I'm afraid I don't understand this winning strategy of yours.

I personally have no problem engaging the fence sitters or gunners who are simply not as involved as they might be at a time when the threat is imminent and serious. I also understand how some are either confused by misinformation or simply lulled, and I do my best to inform and educate until it becomes apparent that they will see no solution or consider no option but punishing the law abiding for the crimes of a psychopath. I fail to see how it serves any purpose to sleep with the enemy. There are some who will never enter your big tent no matter how sweet we are or how much proof we provide to convince them. Do you find it odd that none who have weighed in on your reply to me are in agreement with you?

Do you really think I could get nca225 to join the NRA or see that the anti-gun solutions he proposed over and over have been tried, but failed? Not in a million years. No one who was nice to him got any further than I did resorting to harsh treatment. You are lecturing me about what works and what is a waste of time. But you are advising me/us to waste our time with people who are hell bent on restricting our rights, and who will not be deterred. Ever! That's simply crazy. Do you really think I and fellow NRA members and fellow gun owners could ever change the hearts and minds of avowed anti-2nd Amendment politicians like Obama, Feinstein, Schumer, Biden, Boxer, Waxman, Bloomberg, et al? We'd have a better chance using alchemy to turn our lead shot into gold. Being like Neville Chaimberlain won't win this war either.

It's become abundantly clear that the only Big Tent where these types are reside is The Anti Gun Circus. The latest Circus has come to town and it is still an anti-gun circus and it features the same old clowns. They are not interested in the truth and they intentionally dissemminate incorrect information about guns and gunowners. Their act is promoted by an anti gun Liberal media that you continually make excuses for. Tell us how that works. Tell us how that's a winning tactic.

Very good Keith, I can't wait for the reply with strategies, tactics etc. from Canada......!.....

Bigger tent, more firewood...?.....

Best,

keith, I posted below on another thread today. My advice earlier was plain as pudding: take every supporter willing to work with you. Don't look to politics or where one disagrees on other matters; what counts is another helping hand. As far as contributing, each to his own experience. Those who are shy and not familiar with public spaces often work through their organizations i.e. service clubs, Legions etc. In my own case, I have influence as working successfully with the formula above for decades on public issues, am asked by conservatives (as on gun control) and liberals and greens and often all these working together but separately to achieve particular policy objectives. I've found that inventing methods leading to cooperatiion beats competition. As for members here who see things differently---I'm a jerk and a troll and luller, remember!---that's not to get your knickers in a knot. Do they want to help, how do they want to help? Sign 'em up. Pretty simple stuff. The distinguishing feature is that it works. Here's earlier advice today:


"There hasn't been mention of another factor in the defeat of the registry here. Media was all over the cost of the registry as it grew like topsy from projected hundred million or so to billions. It's a stretch to say it became household conversation but no one had difficulty grasping the issue in a hunting country: it was a colossal waste. For all the shooting sports' lobbying and protests, I'd venture that making the registry part of daily conversations with neighbours and friends had as much to do with the outcome as anything.

"Money isn't everything. Citizens of our county opposed the provincial government and opposition parties bowing to the business community on where a Trans-Canada Highway bypass would go. All the money, ALL the politicians against them, they won. They filled halls, published cartoons in community newspapers, paid for 10 30-second spots a day on radio stations. No politician can stand up to that because they're not tied to money---they're tied to votes.

"Unblushingly, I ran that campaign. Your great poet Whitman said there can't be great poets without great audiences. There can't be leaders without great followers who understand issues. In the example above, citizens put public safety ahead of party loyalties, before selfish business interests. That applies to the United States as it does to Canada. Biden's borrowing and printing can't thwart the will of a determined populace. Hope this helps."

There you are, Doug. The results have been satisfactory. How are yours?

...eventually becomes a form of compulsive behavior. The history of BBS's is replete with the growing glow of seduction that the printing of one's clever arguments and words produce upon one's soul.

Take it from me....

When you stop doing that, you've really 'won'.

the deponent saith naught further..

Doug, your co-pilot's competence counts for more than his opinions, eh?

When my son was interviewed early in his professional career by the owner of a major corporation responsible for the aviation department, there was a hitch when the owner asked my son what salary he expected.

With the chief pilot looking on, my son gave his last salary and the owner said "You're only keeping the seat warm. There are lots of kids who would take it for nothing, for the experience."(It was a MU-2)

My son, a very low-key guy, said "Mr. -----, if something happens to the pilot on short final, the right seat has to be good and maybe a little better than good."

Within a year my son was chief pilot.

If our shooting sports are to hold their own, we'll have to educate over the widest possible front. No one learns from insults and shouts. You do neither; it's only what needs repeating here.

Kingsley,

That is exactly what we used CRM for sir, driving 'heavies' all over the world requires a bit more cockpit coordination, training and experience than a group of 'varied' opinions ......

There is no parallell between flying the line with a major carrier and dealing with Liberal Socialist Politicians who wish to "dictate gun control" over the present and future sporting population of this great nation......

You are mixing reality with direction my friend.......the task at hand requires "no middle ground" if we wish to maintain our gun rights as they stand at present......

The liberals on this board and elsewhere, "would give up some middle ground" as long as "their specific individual" gun rights are not effected......

The "true second amendment partisans" on this board and all over our great land, will not give up one second amendment right as originally ratified in 1791........this is where we differ......as others have said here, not debateable,.......