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Can anyone tell me if there is a way to date Ugartechea SxSs?
I'm looking at one, but would like to date it and see if Ugartechea went through any period of quality problems. I undertand Spanish guns had a post war period that had some issues.

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I only know a little about this one. For fairly modern guns, each maker has a code assigned to them. Arietta (and Grulla, Ugartechea, AyA, etc.)each use a sequence of numbers beginning with their unique number. Arrieta is 57, so 57-03-12-97 is (I believe) the 3rd gun completed in the 12th month of 1997. (Can anybody take this back to the earlier stuff?)

The post-war period had a little experiment in socialism that caused all the makers to be lumped under one giant consortium, DIARM. This was an unmitigated disaster that blemished the reputation of all their guns for quite a while. I believe that the DIARM stuff was in the 60s & early 70s, but I'm not very solid on that. By the middle 1980s, things had returned to the more traditional English master/apprentice system and better quality returned to their guns. The makers I mentioned above, (plus a few others) make some really good guns that are an eceptional value in a hand-made firearm.

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These may help some

http://9mmlargo.com/year_codes.htm

My American Arms Derby made by Zabala is a K2
and therefore made in 1991




Does your Uggie have any similar markings?

Mike

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On the barrel flats you may see S.1 which according to the chart posted would be 1974. I believe the chart is incorrect when it comes to beginning in the late 90s the last two numbers of the serial number is the year of proof.

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A later made Zabala, in this case a TriStar Brittany is marked like this.
Zabala appears to be #60.


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WOW!!
Who thought you could have this much fun on a Tuesday night

Took down the American Arms Brittany and it has BOTH types of
1995 markings smile



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P.S. for you folks who are thinking that these guns are NASTY.
What you are seeing is RIG grease that I use to preserve when guns are at rest.
I had to wipe most off to get pictures smile

http://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-ch...42.aspx?ttver=1

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Gents,

Thanks for the assistance so far. I added photos on the original post, but I don't have any pics of the barrel flats, so I'm a bit out of luck with that. The marks on the action seem older that what are on SkeetTx's - at least in how they are stamped.

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Ugartecheas as are many Spanish guns are specific model engraving. Your gun appears to be the model 1030. A new 1030 today sells for about 10k.

http://www.ugartecheashotguns.com/web_ingles.htm

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I have a very similar gun.



Mine dates to 1951, and other than having cocking indicators looks quite like what you have pictured. Chopper lump barrels, stocked to the fences, intercepting sears, sculpted iron on a beavertail forend, seems like a nice gun.

I did a fair amount of research before and after buying mine, and what I read was that the firing pins are the "weak link." My own personal experience has shown that to be the case (at least with my gun). It is currently with Cole Haugh getting new pins fitted. When I received it the gun miss-fired on the right barrel with certain ammo. Not only was the pin a little short on that side, but it was also sloppy in its bore. I don't know if the pins were bad from new, or if the pins were just sloppy fit or "off the shelf" replacements.

I welded up the firing pin temporarily and used the gun for this whole bird season. The gun handles nicely, and doesn't feel as heavy as it should (if that makes any sense). Nice strong ejectors. There seems to be a fair amount of wood to metal contact at the head of the stock, it doesn't look as "fragile" as the other sidelocks I have had apart.

I was never able to nail down an exact model designation, but if someone wants to send me half the 10k quote for a new 1030 the gun is yours!

CHAZ



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