October
S M T W T F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 61 guests, and 3 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums10
Topics36,211
Posts508,963
Members14,086
Most Online462
Aug 5th, 2016
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 13 of 37 1 2 11 12 13 14 15 36 37
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 839
Sidelock
*
Offline
Sidelock
*

Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 839
If America and the Second Amendment last for a thousand years, let it be said that these few, these gallant few, on the DoubleShop.com BBS saved our rights.

Through endless self-righteous blather and bitching.

At each other.

(apologies to the spirts of Shakespeare and Winston Spencer Churchill)

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 9,350
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 9,350
I still haven't figured out what's saved, Bob. The US has seen an assault ban and background checks are nothing new. An active member even conceded that the "pendulum" of influence has swung toward the antis. I'm sticking to my notion here since Sandy Hook that there may be cosmetic changes but the votes and will aren't there there to change America's gun culture. Americans, Canadians, the British and Australians have chosen how they want to live with their guns, all differently whatever our views but that's how democracy works.

For all that, thanks for WSC and WS! We needed it.

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,438
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,438
What Happened in Great Britian?? READ THIS TO THE END.

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.


Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.

At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.




With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.


You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it...


In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar.


When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.


The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.


One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door


and lurches outside.


As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.


In your country, most guns were outlawed years before,



and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..


Yours was never registered..



Police arrive and inform you


that the second burglar has died.


They arrest you for First Degree Murder


and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.


When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry:



authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.


"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.



"Only ten-to-twelve years,"


he replies, as if that's nothing.


"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."


The next day, the shooting is the lead


story in the local newspaper.


Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.



Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them..


Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.


But the next day's headline says it all:


"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."


The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..


As the days wear on, the story takes wings.


The national media picks it up,


then the international media.

The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.


Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win.


The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and



that you've been critical of local police for their lack


of effort in apprehending the suspects.


After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.



The District Attorney uses this to allege


that you were lying in wait for the burglars.


A few months later, you go to trial.


The charges haven't been reduced,


as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.


When you take the stand, your anger at


the injustice of it all works against you..


Prosecutors paint a picture of you


as a mean, vengeful man.


It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.


The judge sentences you to life in prison.




This case really happened.




On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.


In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..


How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?



It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.




This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and



established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.


The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..


Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and



mandated the registration of all shotguns.


Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.



Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the street shooting everyone he saw.
When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.



(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane, Scotland,


Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.


Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.


Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.


The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate of the few sidearm's


still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights,



the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.


Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened,



claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.


Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,


"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Tony Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times,
and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs
who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques,
had seen most of his collection
trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended,
citizens who owned handguns
were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

Being good British subjects,
most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police
and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.

Police later bragged that they'd taken
nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA;



THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams




You had better wake up, because Obama is doing this very same thing, over here, if he can get it done.

IF YOU HAVE BEEN WATCHING HANNITY AS I RECOMMENDED YOU WOULD KNOW THAT OBAMA IS DOING THIS ON A DAILY BASIS AS WAS REPORTED LAST NIGHT!

And there are stupid people in congress and on the street that will go right along with him.









Last edited by italiansxs; 02/05/13 11:46 AM.

The 2nd Amendment IS an unalienable right.
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,438
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,438
Originally Posted By: King Brown
I still haven't figured out what's saved, Bob. The US has seen an assault ban and background checks are nothing new. An active member even conceded that the "pendulum" of influence has swung toward the antis. I'm sticking to my notion here since Sandy Hook that there may be cosmetic changes but the votes and will aren't there there to change America's gun culture. Americans, Canadians, the British and Australians have chosen how they want to live with their guns, all differently whatever our views but that's how democracy works.

For all that, thanks for WSC and WS! We needed it.


This thread was created by Dave Weber to provide INFORMATION to the membership in regards to the struggle we are engaged in with those who would take away our 2nd Amendment rights. It was NOT CREATED for you or anyone else for that matter to express opinions. You have all the opportunity you want to spew out your opinions over in the Misfires section which was created for that purpose. I would appreciate if you would do that in the future.


The 2nd Amendment IS an unalienable right.
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 9,350
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 9,350
I respect your right to your opinion, Jim, as I know you respect mine. It may be an over-reach, however, to declare an injunction against posts here by many others, including your own, that comment on posts of who to watch and listen to etc. and many others not germane to the 2nd amendment. I'm pleased to oblige your support of keeping posts specifically to the 2nd amendment---providing you and others are respecting the same rules. Otherwise, sorry. I'm no one's baby.

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,065
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,065
In reference to Tony Martin of Norfolk England here are some links:

Wikipedia article

BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/norfolk/3009769.stm

Many articles on the incident. Google up "August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England"

His conviction was reduced to manslaughter and his life sentence to three years. The surviving burglar unsuccessfully sued him for "lost income".

The Wikipedia article says it has been reported that Mr. Martin is laying low because the family of the dead burglar has made death threats.

The BBC article states that both burglars were shot from behind.

In "Castle Law" states in the US Mr. Martin would not been subject to prosecution based on the information in those two articles.

Last edited by AmarilloMike; 02/05/13 12:46 PM.


I am glad to be here.
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 829
Likes: 18
Sidelock
****
OP Offline
Sidelock
****

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 829
Likes: 18
Howdy boys...just a quick heads up. I will be deleting all opinion based posts from this thread as time permits....Nothing pesonal...just want to stay on task....Pro Gun informational USA 2nd Amendment stop finish.

Thank you.


Dave Weber
doublegunshop.com
DoubleGun Evangelist
In Charge But Not Responsible
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 9,350
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 9,350
Thank you, Mr. Weber.

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,015
Sidelock
***
Offline
Sidelock
***

Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,015
Great interview with David Keene NRA President,well worth the 1/2 hr to listen too.
Bloomberg,Obama and Clinton and their attack on the 2nd amendment.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/2nd-amendment-vs-bloomberg-obama/


Hillary For Prison 2018
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 839
Sidelock
*
Offline
Sidelock
*

Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 839
Salvation!
No more courteous and benevolent prattle from King Brown either...

Last edited by Bilious Bob; 02/07/13 10:50 AM.
Page 13 of 37 1 2 11 12 13 14 15 36 37

Link Copied to Clipboard

doublegunshop.com home | Welcome | Sponsors & Advertisers | DoubleGun Rack | Doublegun Book Rack

Order or request info | Other Useful Information

Updated every minute of everyday!


Copyright (c) 1993 - 2021 doublegunshop.com. All rights reserved. doublegunshop.com - Bloomfield, NY 14469. USA These materials are provided by doublegunshop.com as a service to its customers and may be used for informational purposes only. doublegunshop.com assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions in these materials. THESE MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANT-ABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. doublegunshop.com further does not warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information, text, graphics, links or other items contained within these materials. doublegunshop.com shall not be liable for any special, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, including without limitation, lost revenues or lost profits, which may result from the use of these materials. doublegunshop.com may make changes to these materials, or to the products described therein, at any time without notice. doublegunshop.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. This is a public un-moderated forum participate at your own risk.

Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without prior written consent of the Copyright holder. For specifics on Copyright Law and restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.0.33-0+deb9u11+hw1 Page Time: 0.051s Queries: 35 (0.022s) Memory: 0.8819 MB (Peak: 1.8991 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2021-10-20 06:07:26 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS