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Hello! Does anyone have info on a belgium made hammerless, the model is printed in gold, REVE 5.

Hello six4,

Welcome to the board. With just a model it is impossible to tell anything about a shotgun. What is really needed are pictures of the gun. If you take pictures, be sure to include pictures of the proof marks. With most Belgian guns it will be possible to tell you a lot more.

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Pete

Six4, try this site: http://www.littlegun.be
Pete

Belgium Double Pics http://picasaweb.google.com/tomdavis.cracker/BelgiumDouble 12 gauge 26 1/2 barrels.

From your pictures:
* over H - controller of proof Christophe Woit 1938-1968
* over R - controller of proof Sylvain Wagemans 1951-1965
C year of proof 1964
65mm chamber length = 2.5"
20.6 is the bore .811"
lion over the PV indicates nitro proof. In use 1898-1968
Crown over ELG with star at bottom, acceptance of proof at Liège, 1893-1968.

L'Abeille is not a Belgian gun maker that I can find. The Paris address on the barrel would seem to me that L'Abeille may be (or had been) more of an LL Bean rather than a gun maker.

I do find it interesting that there is no makers trademark. Perhaps on the reciever flats.

So, you have a relatively modern short chambered gun.

Pete

Pete I wonder if this gun could have been made in 1924. The B= 65mm over 20.6 was used from 1994 to 1924, the 20.6 indicates chamber diameter. The c could be a small case c for 1924. The sticker is the controller marks, as you say there is only these 2 people listed in the data I have. If we could see the barrel weight it might clear it up as there was also a change there in 1924. Also like you say a makers mark might help. Jim A.

James-l

Yes the marks are inconsistent. I was going on the controller's because the C should be a c. I can't figure why they would produce a gun in the '60s with 65mm chambers. Maybe it is a French thing. I just don't know.

Pete

The lady i got it from was in her 80's, said her grandfather had it to start with. Thanks
guys!

Definitely 1924 or earlier, otherwise you would not have 12 over a C in a diamond. It would be 12-65 inside a sort of capital C if it were later than 1924.

L'abeille means "bee" in French; reve is dream. So somebody had 5 dreams about bees???

I've seen guns marked L'abeille before but don't know anything about the maker. Not at all unusual to find Belgian guns sold by French shops, even though France had its own very active gun industry. I've currently got a Belgian 16 that has a Paris address (C. Mode) on the barrels.

Any ideal of a value?