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OK, is this Lefever going the way of the Parker over under. Just a name ?? Let's let it be a Lefever with the stepped sideplates, the in frame ejectors, the cocking indicators, the dolls head, and heaven forbid the chrome this or that, the plug in chokes, and all that other stuff that is not Lefever. Get the 28 gauge down the road and don't think of a Lefever 22 cal. long rifle double.

Dr. Bill, Buck Hamlen agrees with you re. forcing cones --- he suggested anywhere from two to four inch cones. He also said I might quote him on answers to questions I asked. If bbl's are chromed, they will play hell with carbide cutters used to shorten bbl and thread for choke tubes. Seems there hasb't been any call for replaceable choke tubes.

Eightbore --- Steve could with no problem make the mono block and fit it to the action as he has no problems working in the ten thou's. As time passes, this will be given more thought and discussed with him.

Thanks again guys --- keep those ideas coming in. Ken

Well, I had Cecil Fredi send me some photos. He swamped me with great looking wood. Here is the blank I choose. Mr. Ken suggested I post it here.



Pete

I for onr would like to see the Dolls Head extension. This is a Lefever trademark! If we are talking cnc and all this modern equipment, it shouldn't be any more difficult to do this the Lefever way. Just my 2cents.
Chris

If you decide on the mono block route of barrel construction then it seems to me that just about any reasonable barrel length could be offered. As far as Chrome bores go,that is something that could be done later if some one wanted it. With the wads available in steel shot loads today you only need to be concerned about the choke. There are available very good steel shot chokes if the barrels can take screw in chokes. If your choke deforms simply replace it with a new one. I believe that the Parker repos were mono blocked with a welded joint and they look very good.

As long as the receiver and monobloc were precision machined by the "makers", it would make little difference if the barrel maker left a quarter of an inch of the breech of the tube protruding from the monobloc when the monobloc was shipped back to the U.S. The "makers" would just trim it off when fitting the monobloc to the pertinent receiver. Personally, I don't know whether tubes in normal monoblocs go all the way to the breech or fit on steps. It would seem like fitting them on steps would be a nightmare that would require messy adjustments. If I were to design them, they would go all the way to the breech to be trimmed. We can ask the Brits, we can ask Kirk Merrington, or we can ask Rich Cole about the Beretta procedure. We may get three different answers, but we will know more than before we asked.

That's it boys -- keep those ideas and opinions coming, you are helping build this gun. Ken

Murph,
I think we'll find that the 'normal' process is to have the tube extend thru the monoblock. I think it can be made to work fairly easily either way. Protruding to the breach requires second op to clean up the face, tubing to a step preserves the face but requires holding a close tolerance when machining of the stepped hole depth and the length of the turned barrel tube and requires something to be done with the potential for moisture penetration in the gap (if not soldered). Soldering has some advantages.

I like the dolls head rib and would be sad to see it dropped. Sad but not heart broken. But if you are using CNC I would like a dolls head rib if possible. They just look so right on a fine gun. Just like paper hulls look right in a double gun.

The chrome bores are one thing that I do not want or need. In fact, that would almost kill it for me. I have never liked them even though I rarely change choke or have the forcing cones reamed. Mono block barrels can be made to very high standards and if used here would I am sure be a perfect as possilbe.

Soulds like you are heading for a reciever that could range from 12-16-20 bore with a possible 28 barrel set. That is about as flexible gun platform as you could have. Wood selected, first thousand saved, interest getting higher all the time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a proponent of ridding the gun of the dolls head, I just see it as another manufacturing hurdle. The monoblock may make it more viable to produce with the dolls head. I agree, it is part of the Lefever 'look' to have it, just like a paper hull. Now what ever happened to that 16ga paper hull? We'll need 20 papers and maybe 28's, if it survives the pro/con debate.