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Thank you for the info, I appreciate it. Being new to all this I have a stupid questions, what do you mean by bbls?
I know my dad was received a bunch of older guns from the widow of a friend and I think that is where this came from. I'm pretty sure it wasn't something he purchased as he was more into revolvers. I'll definitely look into a a knowledgeable gunsmith to look at it. As it sits, not working, any idea as to the value? I have quite a few of the guns I know were special to him and those I will be keeping for sure. I really have no idea as to the value and am thinking of selling it. Thanks again!
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bbls - tubes - pattern welded or fluid steel? Lower rib is pattern welded. 1892 or 1893 should have seen the end of the A&D APUN numbers.
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Hmmm, I'll try to get a few better pictures since I'm really not sure. Thanks guys
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I believe that this was marketed as the VL&D "Knockaround" or "Knockabout" gun, I can't remember which term they used. They went to Francotte boxlock in the early part of the last century, as it was the replacement for the Sauer model 1900 (sidelock) which they had marketed under that name up until that time...
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Right, "Knockabout". VL&D's successor, Abercrombie & Fitch, continued to use that term--both for entry level Francottes, and later on (starting in the 60's, I think), for Zoli-Rizzini doubles.
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The "Not For Ball" (note its Americanized,)The ELG in oval without crown & the A&D patent all indicate a build prior to 1900 or earlier than the Sauer series of KnockAbouts, not later.
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Has the hinge pin actually been lost or is it still in place? Hopefully, the other parts once retained by the missing pins have not been lost. You should send it to a talented gunsmith who won't attempt to make a million dollar project out of it. My choice for someone who will not nickel and dime you to death, and will tell the truth about what actually needs to be done is Keith Kearcher in Bend, Oregon. Not only can he make new pins and clean and reassemble the gun if the parts are there, he is a barrel expert who can evaluate your gun for safe shooting.
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The "Not For Ball" (note its Americanized,)The ELG in oval without crown & the A&D patent all indicate a build prior to 1900 or earlier than the Sauer series of KnockAbouts, not later. Good catch. "Knockabout" was pretty much a generic name with both VL&D and A&F, applied to guns from different makers. Think "Field Grade" . . . but "Knockabout" sounds fancier.
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Larry;
Do you know if perhaps VL&D sold guns under the KnockAbout name from both Francotte & Sauer at the same time. I was thinking they would not have used the same name simultaneously for two different guns, but then? Perhaps they did sell a sidelock & a boxlock both under the name Knockabout at the same time. I feel certain the gun in quesation does date beck into the 1800's but did they continue the basic gun to a later date.
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as I recall, I have seen both. german prior to ww1 and Belgian afer ww1...
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