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The Constitution part is certainly interesting, Craig. There's the myth of a revolution providing a Constitution and great nation anointed by God. A foreign oligarchy was replaced by a native, slave-holding oligarchy. The Founding Fathers were deeply conservative with notions of blacks as property. Their Constitution carefully disenfranchised blacks, American Indians, women and the landless. Religion, I believe, prevented rebellion.

Thomas Paine came in handy during the Revolution but was persecuted for publishing a letter to Washington in 1796 in which he wrote: "The world will be puzzled to decide whether you are an apostate or an imposter, whether you have abandoned good principles, or whether you ever had any." Six persons attended Paine's funeral; two were black.

There's nothing trivial about religious faith and generally passive resistance of American blacks. Martin Luther King wasn't doing all that well during the civil rights struggle until Bayard Rustin of Quaker background introduced passive resistance strategies. God's teachings of fairness and love contributed to putting Obama in the White House. How else could it have happened?

"God" has never taught us anything. Men,"speaking" for God, have taught us the moral lessons that would seem obvious to anyone of average intelligence.

You can't be serious ?
God wanted (obama and his socialist doctrine ) to gut the middle class, enslave the poor-minorities in social welfare socialist "plantation" and bring massive reduction in those working for a living and the doubling-more then doubling of those on welfare food stamps and in poverty ? And thats "fairness" !

I'm putting on my waders.

Better get out the coal shovel too.

Heck...look at Chicago and Atlanta.....hell, look at Africa....not a lot of what we consider civilization in those places.

Now we all know coal is evil and makes the earth warm ,make that a grain shovel !

Obama, a man of fairness to the poor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...liday-home.html

Obama got in the first time due to the natural tendency of savvy voters to elect the opposite party to national office, in order to provide a balance, as we go down the bumpy political road.

Obama got in the second time because more have nots voted than did haves. that is why the next time we elect a president, he or she will be from the opposite party. and they will promise to take care of everybody, haves as well as have nots...

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"Their OUR Constitution carefully disenfranchised blacks, American Indians, women and the landless. Religion, I believe, prevented rebellion"

Hmm:
Doesn't this strike you are perhaps the same groups of individuals, along with the 11 million leeches currently here illegally today, who could care less that we're now 17 TRILLION dollars in debt? Perhaps they don't care because they'll never be responsible for having to repay it.
I for one maintain that the U S Founding Fathers probably exercised a great deal of foresight in disenfranchising those who had NO VESTED INTEREST in assuring the ongoing prosperity of the United States.
Without those groups supporting him there would be no Kenyan occupying the White House today.
Jim

Americans wanted to put Obama in the White House. I never said God wanted anything, Dave. I said God's teachings of fairness and love contributed to it. Given a choice, Americans preferred a community organizer to a plutocrat. They set an example to a world burdened with racial and religious violence. The Bible gives short shrift to capitalism.