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There are no flies on Aslund, a free marketer. Krugman, another esteemed practitioner, provides evidence to the contrary. They are opinions.

Unregulated, anything-goes fiscal policy---which anticipates busts as integral to the blow-and-go "capitalist" system---got us in this mess in the first place.

We may agree on that.

Greenspan told us this couldn't happen, safeguards were built into the system. He admitted later he didn't see it coming. So much for weak fiscal regulation.

There were few complaints when Washington started spending.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....Lauchlin Currie, "a selfless soul who came south to save the Republic," according to John Kenneth Galbraith in his best-seller Age of Uncertainty, Page 220.

Currie's role was to explain Keynes to FDR's whiz kids, including Galbraith. Currie later lost his US citizenship and went off to do development work in Columbia. I wasn't interested in Keynes but casually sleuthing whether Currie may have been the never-found Washington mole mentioned in the Penkovsky Papers. Galbraith told me Currie, also formerly on the Harvard faculty,was not a Communist.


Your 'facts' and role models King, and the anecdotes you choose to frame them look like intolerant left wing ideological extremism. Is there room for a person or thought that sits in the center or on the right side of the aisle. Civility seems like a petty charade.

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Most of the crime IS committed by people already getting Social welfare benifits.....they never earned anything so they have no respect for other peoples things.

If they had to actually work if they wanted to eat...they wouldn't have time to be committing crimes.


The liberals are asking us to give Obama time.
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DaveK, I'm sure you are noticing how King deftly dances around any facts and simply moves on to even more Libtard fantasy. Now he's talking about the costs of incarceration while ignoring the fact that a career criminal costs society much much more when they are on the street committing crimes. I'm only talking about monetary costs and omitting the human suffering they cause. And he ignores the fact that it was the Great Society, which is a breeding ground for fatherless men, with no morals and no values, who go on to become incarcerated. Why debate whether incarceration of violent career criminals is more or less expensive than social welfare programs when it is social welfare programs that exacerbate the problem in the first place? King seems incapable of telling or even grasping the truth. You have to wonder about his mental state.


King, under Canadian National Health Care, how long do you suppose it would take you to get the psychiatric help you obviously need?


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown


There were few complaints when Washington started spending.




What was that???!!!??? You've got to be kidding. No, you've got to be lying again. Unless you are talking about George Washington.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.

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Originally Posted By: King Brown
....Unregulated, anything-goes fiscal policy---which anticipates busts as integral to the blow-and-go "capitalist" system---got us in this mess in the first place.

We may agree on that....

....So much for weak fiscal regulation.

There were few complaints when Washington started spending.



So, how much time do we give bo to see if his policies, not his skin color, work. Is it possible to move beyond blame Bush and own an economy. As a journalist, you'd know there're many complaints about spending 'to not let a crisis go to waste, and do things you thought could not be done before'. As an extreme ideologue, I gather that there could never be enough tax and spend to satisfy your feelings.

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Originally Posted By: keith
DaveK, I'm sure you are noticing how King deftly dances around any facts and simply moves on to even more Libtard fantasy. Now he's talking about the costs of incarceration while ignoring the fact that a career criminal costs society much much more when they are on the street committing crimes. I'm only talking about monetary costs and omitting the human suffering they cause. And he ignores the fact that it was the Great Society, which is a breeding ground for fatherless men, with no morals and no values, who go on to become incarcerated. Why debate whether incarceration of violent career criminals is more or less expensive than social welfare programs when it is social welfare programs that exacerbate the problem in the first place? King seems incapable of telling or even grasping the truth. You have to wonder about his mental state.


King, under Canadian National Health Care, how long do you suppose it would take you to get the psychiatric help you obviously need?


Yes Keith I did notice and pleased to see it was not lost in the pile that comes out of the other end of the horse !.
Typical liberal tactic, ignore facts,regurgitate rhetoric and when faced with overwhelming evidence your wrong change the subject ! He pulled the same crap when he thought the NRA was losing the gun control debate-and was once again proven wrong.


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Originally Posted By: King Brown


There were few complaints when Washington started spending.




What was that???!!!??? You've got to be kidding. No, you've got to be lying again. Unless you are talking about George Washington.


And then quote's Krugman the worlds laughing stock economist ! The drink yourself sober of Keynesian economics that has failed time and time again !

http://reason.com/blog/2010/06/24/paul-krugman-now-laughingstock

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Wolfgang Franz, who heads the German government’s economic advisory panel known as the Wise Men, tore into Krugman — and the US — in an op-ed in the German business daily Wednesday, titled “How about some facts, Mr. Krugman?”

“Where did the financial crisis begin? Which central bank conducted monetary policy that was too loose? Which country went down the wrong path of social policy by encouraging low income households to take on mortgage loans that they can never pay back? Who in the year 2000 weakened regulations limiting investment bank leverage ratios, let Lehman Brothers collapse in 2008 and thereby tipped world financial markets into chaos?” he wrote."


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Dave, a person saying something they know is not true is a liar. Aslund, Krugman, Friedman and others are contradictory but they are not liars. Their different opinions are part of the reason why economics is often called the dismal science.

Religious denominations interpret and proclaim differently from scriptures of what they believe but few here would call them liars. My point is that when things went bust the big economies generally went to Keynes as a reasonable option.

The financial sector and auto plants were deemed "too big to fail."Leaving another crater in downtown New York, one of the world's great financial centres, wasn't a rational option. Public spending put Humpty Dumptys back on the wall again.

It pleases me, from your Franz quote above, that we appear to agree on what "tipped world financial markets into chaos." But essentially the choice is between low tax, high private consumption and one with higher taxes but also more public services, programs and stronger communities: Scandinavia and others.

As a liberal Canadian I'm inclined more to fairness. The US generally places a higher value on freedom although from the last votes that seems to be changing for reasons earlier identified here by many members.


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King ,
you agree with this quote ?
"Which country went down the wrong path of social policy by encouraging low income households to take on mortgage loans that they can never pay back"

This of course refers to the CRA ( which forced banks,through community organizer's like B Hussien Obama, to loan money to people who could not and did not pay it back !)


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