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Hal,
I'm still having trouble with photos, but will do as well as I can. In this type chamber it can be hard to see where the case ends and the lede starts.If the 75 mm case length is correct, it would be a 9.3x75R.This cartridge is in the class of 9.3x72R,and the case head is in the same family.To get 9.3x75R cases you have to trim 9.3x82R cases, which are expensive.It is my opinion that you should just use 9.3x72R ammo and reload the cases.The 3mm difference in case length won't make any practictal difference, but the difference in cost and convience will.
Mike

Pod as you can see I merely blocked the shotgun barrels with shotcups. Then I made a paper funnel and poured the melted stripping wax in to the breech face. I melted it in a long narrow clear glass jar over my gas range. You have to add a bit at the end as it tends of hollow out from the top down.

The paraffin worked much better as it is harder. I just plugged the barrel with a small piece of greased cloth. For greater pouring accuracy, I held a 12 ga plastic shotshell by the base with vice grips, poured the wax into that, and then carefully filled the rifle chamber. The paraffin also dishes down as it cools so you have to add a bit more at the end. I pushed the shotgun plugs out with a dowel and the rifle plug out with a soft iron rod.

With all the fine information the members here have provided, I am going to try and write up a description of the drilling and will submit it later for editing.

I can't get Skeettx's html file to open on this computer, but I did once on my other one. I'll try later.

I still need to know what the Crown over N means as well as the words Hoeflieferrt and Fernrohrmontage. I assume this gun was made in Germany, likely Suhl, correct? Did Loesche make any firearms in their shot or only edged weapons or cutlery?

Crown over N + the rest of the data
Used in conjuntion
See proofmark item #19

1891-1912
Nitroproof for rifled barrels

Stahl Mantel Geschoss (Steel Jacked Bullet)

Hoeflieferrt = by appointment

Fernrohrmontage = scope mount

Mike

p.s.
K.u.k. Hoflieferant = Royal warrant of appointment

Thanks. So the gun was originally proofed for 2.2 gm black powder (G.B.P.= German Black Pulver?)and later proofed for nitro in all barrels as evidenced by the crown over N on the rifle barrel and eagle and "nitro" on both shotgun barrels?

I really appreciate all the help. I would like to have the below edited for before I send it to the owner:

Of German manufacture, this drilling has two 12 ga. barrels chambered for 65 mm long cartridges side-by-side above a rifle barrel chambered for the 9.3 mm x72R cartridge. A single extractor serves all three barrels. The arm was sold by Adolf Loesche, Hoflieferrnt "by ppointent" of Magdeberg, Austria. The Loesche firm, opened in 1873, specialized in fixed blade weapons and telescope mounts. Loesche also had outlets in Berlin and Hannover. World War II brought an end to the business.

The action is an underlever type with double underbites and Greener crossbolt. A Greener side-safety secures the shotgun barrels. The rifle barrel employs a tang safety for the
adjustable double-set triggers. Gold cocking indicators for the three barrels lie forward of the tang safety and behind a finely stippled area likely meant to reduce glare when shooting. An adjustable sight with single folding leaf is mounted on the finely file-cut rib of the 27 1/2" barrels. A small amount of engraving is found on the bright finished action, underlever, trigger guard, and cartridge trap located behind the rear swivel. The rather straight grained stock has a finely checkered semi-pistol grip with a cheekpiece and hard rubber buttplate.

The action, both shotgun barrel flats, and the rifle barrel are stamped with a crown over a "U" indicating view proof, a detailed inspection. A crown above a "W" stamped on the shotgun barrel flats indicates choke boring. Both flats are stamped with a circled 12 with 13/1 underneath showing that both barrels are 12 ga. and full choked. Both barrels are also stamped with an eagle followed by "Nitro" indicating nitro powder proof.

The rifle barrel is stamped with a crown over an "N", the mark used for nitro powder proof in Germany from 1891 to 1912. A stamped "2,2 g G.B.P." shows the first proof prior
to 1911 was for a load of 2.2 gm. of black powder. The stamped "St. m.G. 8,8 mm" shows the proof was with steel jacketed bullets and that the barrel was bored to 8.8 mm., the
standard for 9.3mm bullets.

No comments so OK I guess.

Now the bad news. The forearm is missing. Too bad as its such a pretty thing in overall very good to excellent condition and would be fun to hunt with. Does anyone know a machinist who could make a foreend? Looks like an A&D lug, and the iron would be very simple as it cocks with the underlever and there are no ejectors.
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Hal,
Maybe Dutchman Wood Works (www.dutchmanwoodworks.com )can help.I recall (from either "Der Waffenschmied"or "Waidmannsheil")that they replaced the missing forearm for another German Gun Collectors Assn. member.I happen to have a 12 ga underlever drilling with a cracked frame that I planed to sell for parts, but you wouldn't likely have a use for the rest of it.
Mike

Thanks Der. I emailed the Dutchman. I think the chances of your forearm having the same width, radius at the knuckle and same distance to the latch from it are very slim. I'll contact some of the restoration specialists that advertise in DGJ to see what they have to say. Maybe some of them follow this board.