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I would like to hear your opinion to this fine o/u combination gun. My fried who has it from his father, says it's from Ferlach (Fanzoij) but there is no name on the gun. For me it looks like Suhl�? I found german proof marks from 1958, but am not sure about the age and origin of the gun. Help needed! I'm sorry about the bad pics, have no others at the moment.

Kind Regards,
Gunwolf

Gunwolf: I can't help you with your question but that is a very pretty gun. I have often wondered why the German gunmakers made their trigger guards from horn. To me they are not nearly as attractive as a metal trigger guard but clearly that's just my opinion. I think the horn just detracts from what otherwise is a very pretty gun.

Buzz, of course it's a matter of taste, but it's tradition in Europe as well. I like it, especially in the cold. ;-)

Gunwolf

Gunwolf,
The form is clearly Ferlach, probably early post WWII. The markings are a bit fuzzy but 26 could mean Jakob Koschat.

With kind regards,
Jani

Full pipe side-frame reinforcement on a Kerner-Anson action & Ferlach preliminary stamps, I'd say it was pre-WWII or right after. There is additional info there, just a bit fuzzy as you say. What's on the action flats/water table? Probably have to remove the wooden side panels with a proper turnscrew & there will be marks there.

Jani:
Was horn triggerguard bows typical on Ferlach offerings?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey: Yes, horn triggerguard was typical on Ferlach offerings (for an additional fee).

With kind regards,
Jani

Beautiful gun
Thanks for sharing
What calibers/gauges?
Thanks
Mike

Jani, Raimey,
many thanks! Think you are right with Koschat.
On the watertable there are the german proof stamps of 1958. That was only some years after Germans got the permission to own guns again.
Gunwolf

BBF =Caliber 7x65R - 16/70
DG = 12/70
DR = 2x 9,3 x 74R

Gunwolf

Post the Ferlach datastrings & the maker should be apparent.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

By the way, this is the gun my friend always keeps on his hunts as driver for his guests with bullet and Brenneke�.. very nice up to 35 meters!

Gunwolf

BTW, what might be the meaning of the Golden Crest? Are those a pair of chamois horns, meaning the owner took a Gams in gold medal?

With kind regards,
Jani

Raimey, you may be right, I have no pictures for the moment - will take some later.
My friend is going to restaurate the gun (not by himself but by Frederik van Breen from The Netherlands:http://www.gunsandgunstocks.com/documents/132.html)

Jani, that is the weapon of the owner's family since more than 700 years and yes, indeed these are Gams horns.

Gunwolf

Jani, he took more than a Gams in gold medal� ;-)

Gunwolf

I bet he did!

With kind regards,
Jani

WOW!! What a wonderful selection of
ammo, should fit all needs
Mike

Gunwolf,
This is just my unsolicited opinion, but from the different proofs and difference in appearence of the wood, as well as both 16ga and 12 ga chambering;it looks like the gun was made with one barrel set, and had others added later(maybe by other gunsmiths).Putting aside my preference for 16ga,I agree this is a very good useful combination of barrels.
Mike

Mike, as usual, you are right! First there was the BBF in combination with the DG barrels 12/70. Later he let make a set of DR barrels in 9,3 x 74R. BTW, this is not fitting right any longer. I presume because my friend hasn`t shot with it since 20 years or so. But he shot with the BBF. Do you think this is possible? The barrels do not shut complete�.
Wolfgang

Wolfgang,
If the barrels don't shut, I can't see how that would be caused by shooting the BBF barrels.Without seeing the gun,I can't identify the cause of the problem, if there is a problem. A new set of barrels would normally be fitup pretty tight, and since these haven't been shot much,they might just be "stiffer" than the others.Since he is going to have the gun renovated,I suggest he talk to his gunsmith about it.If there is a problem,it would be much easier to repair, than if it was too loose.
Mike

Thanks Mike,
it's only curious because many years ago he shot with these barrels and now they do not fit. I'm sure the Gunsmith will solve the problem. BTW, the DR barrels were made in 1961.
Wolfgang

Wolfgang
just a thought: whenever I had problems with a BBF not closing, it was the cartridge! in the rifle barrel.
Most often different manufacture with different rim-thicknesses.
On a tight gun a fraction of a millimeter is enough.
Sometimes it just was a build-up of dirt preventing the cartridge from fully seating.
If it does not close with empty barrels, then that is a different problem - but, as you say the gun did shoot with those barrels in the past, then I would first check for any build up of dirt/hardened oil on the mating surfaces.
As you know, tolerances on a well made gun are very small.


Just my ten cents...

Best Regards
und WaiHei

G�nter
NRA Life 1974

Thanks G�nter,
may be you are right. I wasn't able to close the empty barrels, but had not enough time to look for the reason very carefully. Frederik will have a look later in the year when my friend will let him renovate it.

Kind Regards and of course WaiHei!
Wolfgang

Funny that we write in english, isn't it? ;-)

Wolfgang,
just a courtesy to the 99.8% of people here on this forum who probably don't understand german
No problems to exchange PM's in german though !
By the way, as you are in/near Bonn, what happened to the Haribo guns? I understand he died recently?

Also, while I have a chance to talk to you:
I have a BBF (Suhl) in 16/7x57 - Otto Bock Berlin in excellent condition, made in September 1939! with (near?) identical action/locking to the gun you describe in this thread.
Unfortunately someone, at some time, had the 7x57 barrel drilled out and changed to .22LR
The gun came with a 222 Rem 'Einstecklauf' (Princess) in the shot barrel which shoots fine up to about 250 m, so I use it as a 'Fox' gun.

I still live in hope to perhaps one day find a set of barrels that might fit my gun (highly unlikely, I know)

I am a Registered Firearms Dealer here in the UK so I could import a set of barrels if I should get lucky!













Regards
G�nter
NRA Life 1974

G�nter, you have a PM

Wolfgang

Wolfgang,
If the gun won't close on empty chambers, check under the extractors for trash or unburned powder.
Mike

Thanks Mike,
I can imagine you are right, but have the gun no longer in my hands. I think it will have to do with the extractor. Will keep you informed when it was checked!
Wolfgang

Gebrauchsmuster Nr. 217,636 - Umstellvorrichtung am Selbstspannerdreil�ufer ufw. Ernst Kerner, Suhl - 28/12 03 K. 20651 - 7/12 06

I wonder if Novel Design Nr. 217,636 above was the beginnings of the Kerner-Anson drilling from December 28th, 1930??

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

I'm bringing up an old post here because the story continues. My friend passed the combination on to his son and only the gun was completely reworked and restocked. Here is the whole story:

http://www.hunting-heritage.com/blog/index.php/2021/03/10/all-in-one-ferlach-combination-gun/

Wolfgang

Wonderful story and beautiful work - I had not read the older thread. There is a famous Austria gunsmith school in Ferlach, right?

I'm wondering how much a single round for that gun now costs in Germany. An Austrian-born gunsmith in SW Virginia who trained at Ferlach was pretty depressed about the whole situation, when I last talked to him few months ago. He believed the average hunter in Germany was on the verge of being priced out of the sport by government tax regulation.

Correct, Ferlach is one of 3 gunsmithing schools in Europe - the other two are in Suhl, Germany and Liège Belgium.
The cost of ammunition is not a problem. Neither are the taxes. What is getting stricter is the gun law and the requirements for the hunting license.