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What I said in my last post.

I've bent the tang(shank) on a Model 12 with just brute force before, mainly to reduce drop at heel and it went ok. I did this when I was young and more ignorant. It makes a lot more sense to me now to use a little heat. I would think much less chance of breaking something.

yes I heated the shank with a propane torch and it bent perfectly. Now on to changin the slide tube. Found a 7" one on ebay. I will finish it tomorrow at the shop. Thanks to all.

I'm not sure who is playing the part of Walter Mathou, but the movie 'Grumpy Old Men' just popped in to my head. Incredibly amusing. I'll confess - I do LOVE a good insult. Never in short supply on this forum, either. I'm not sure how hard it would be to find yourself banned from the PGCA, but I seriously doubt boorish behavior toward Bill Murphy alone would get the job done. Besides that, if the guy carries some weight with that fraternity it might have something to do with the fact that he knows more about Parker shotguns(and many others) than but a handful of people.

There is a cliche my father used to say. Maybe you've heard it, or hell, maybe he really did coin it - more than one way to skin a cat? He could be sadistic, but I never actually knew of him skinning a cat, although my grandmother did tell me about him tying two cat's tails together and then throwing them over a clothesline when he was a kid. Any way, that wasn't my point.

Despite what I know About Murphy from the Parker
guys up here in the North East. And my club the Vintagers.......Fox with the runs ...once again tells us about his Vietnam heroics .( and us guys at VFW know about this...a big red flag about frauds)..and the " super Welder" goes on google to translate English language into any foreign language to demonstrate who smart he is...and as the Internet shows , it is easy to do...but you know when you see it...one of three things or a combination, you pick...blowhards, drunks, or idiots........I think all three...not directed to murph here ..just to be sure....fox with the runs and his insulting ethnic sexiest moronic statements MUST be a mental illness or the last stages of alcoholism....one who sits by the computer 24/7 attempting to show all.. That he is a MAN and not to be reckoned with.....and find joy in insulting as many people as he can.....as an Irish Bostonian that I am , he is what my buds would call a big delusion fraud.


Ps...And Oh...by the way...forget that shit about censorship or first amendment rights...your right to free speech is only applicable to " state action"....that is no governmental entity can abridge that right...ANY private group can do what they want. Any private club or any organizer of a public forum can do what they want....if they want to determine what they want they are free to do that and no constitutional issue arises...so Weber should start cleaning up the mess. ..or the guys who have left , and there are hundreds , should think down the road to get a forum that is just about double guns...look and see how many great contributors are not here...we are left with misfires...guys who are whining to other guys who agree with them...pass the whiskey please.

Up Yours, Condor-- You can research all my postings and replies on this site since Day One- and for every one that contains my so-called "Vietnam Heroics" I will kiss your sorry Bostonian Mick sad ass in Brooks Brothers downtown front window in frickin' Beantown. Then you can "Paaark Da Carr in Da Harvaard Yaard" if you like--

You don't read well do you??- when I mentioned Advanced Armorer's School in Quantico, numbnutz- that ain't in Vietnam. Last time I checked, it was still in Virginia. I served in the USMC from 1960 to 1972, when I was Honorably Discharged with the rank of E-6, and had two MOS- 0311 basic rifleman, and 2112- Armorer.

I never talk about Vietnam, or my two best friends who died "In Country" and I do not belong to either your American Legion or the Veterans of Foreign Wars- when I was discharged, either one of those fine Veterans Organizations were not really thrilled to recognize Vietnam Veterans as being Veterans, just the World War Two and Korean Vets - I do on occasion, go as a guest to an area Legion Post to have a few drinks and shoot pool- but do not join, even though now I could.

There are all kinds of websites I understand that will enable you to check out any man's claimed Military Service- You are most welcome to check mine out- No Purple Heart, no Bronze or Silver Stars, I would NEVER dishonor those who have earned any of all of such, as some the of the "wannabees" seem to do. One think that might guide you here- the fact that I legally changed my last name to what it is here in 1973, at my fiancee's request prior to our marriage. Go figure!!

My "sturm and drang" with Mr. Murphy most likely started when I joined as a "rookie" and made the mistake of posting that I had inherited 2 12 gauge high grade Parker double-guns from my late Grandfather- Murphy insisted that I post photos and give out the serial numbers, apparently part of the ritual on his Fiefdom Forum for carriage bolted double shotguns. I refused, and he openly questioned my veracity, sort of a "put up or shut up" challenge- which is so close to calling me a liar that you could spit at the difference and not get wet if you were standing downwind-

I have never forgiven him for that insult, even though I have since sold one of the 2 Parkers he holds "in question" privately, to a non-PGCA member who lives in Washington- As to other members of that group, some I am still in contact with. And that speaks to your BS comment about my fluency in other languages besides English. One solid friend from my membership in the PGCA is Angel Cruz- we have had many e-mail chats, and if memory serves, a few phone calls, and chat equally well both in Spanish as well as English- you are free to contact him at your leisure and verify our friendship.

I grew up in The Queen City, and like Milwaukee WI and Germantown (both in PA and MD) and St. Louis MO- there is a large resident population of people of Germanic heritage- My Grandmother's housekeeper- Frau Schimmel- taught all of us German, and I also had both German and Spanish in HS- as well as Latin in Catholic Grade School- Now I am studying Italian with a Rosetta Stone program--I bought mine at a Barnes & Noble bookstore- I did not know they were available on Google.

There is something about you Eastern Coast folks- you are way ruder than us Midwestern types, with of course, some exceptions. I have already commented on Murphy's knowledge of the carriage bolted shotguns- BUT- that does NOT mean he knows it all- no man can- and my replies on this thread were to advise others with Model 12's NOT to follow his half-vast suggestions as to bending the shank to alter the buttstock fit. I will put my knowledge of machine shop, welding and basic gunsmithing that involves mechanics against anyone that I have yet seen post on this Forum site, especially concerning the "Perfect Repeater"--

LOL...LOL!!....like I said in my post. fWTR....A super Moron


" I will kiss your sorry Bostonian Mick sad ass in Brooks Brothers downtown front window in frickin' Beantown."

My pants are down...and I am waiting.

Most un-gentlemanly behavior has been demonstrated in this thread. Why do you guys want to denigrate this forum with this nonsense? We are here to talk about guns, and frankly, what the man had to say re the Model 12 and bending the shank using heat, had credibility IMO.

Buzz...I agree 100%... That was my point but stated in an un-gentlemanly manner....I lowered myself by tangling with white trash... My mistake....

Thanks- I guess-as I [posted the CORRECT and safe method, not the "ram-bam-thank-you-Ma'am" process others suggest- but not, of course, my New England based "pal"- Murph Da Surf- Unless I miss-read him, he suggest just clamping the M12 RECEIVER IN ANY OLD BENCH VISE (What- Not a Parker & Snow even--Gadzooks and whacking the attached shank until you achieve the desired results- He is welcome, of course, to use that BFH technique on his own personal M12's- but the gent that asked the original question deserves better- and so I gave him the steps for the process both the WRA Custom Shop often used- if it worked for them- well you get the drift-

As far as Cutter or Kutter, whatever, the Boston boy wunderkind, he has some set of cojones to question another Veteran's stated military service- he was, most likely, what we called a REMF'r--