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I just picked up a well used Parker VH 12 gauge made in 1904. Any advice for loads? I already have my MEC set up for low pressure loads for my Sterlingworth and NID so I assume that's probably what will be best for the Parker too? Are there any common problems or things that I need to be aware of with this model? I've always gotten good advice here about my other double purchases and happily I have another one that calls my safe home.
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Assuming it has double triggers and is an extractor gun you will find it to be about bulletproof. None better. Probably has fluid steel barrels too. What is the frame size? You'll find a number on the bottom of the back lug denoting the size. It'll probable be a 1 1/2 or 2 frame. One frame 12's are somewhat uncommon though I have two. If it hasn't been altered it will have 2 5/8" chambers and 2 3/4" ammunition was recommended by Parker. While it will handle most any off the shelf ammo it is wise to keep pressures down similar to what you're feeding the Fox. Just being kind to a 110 year old gun, besides you don't gain anything with high pressures.
Good shooting!
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nice find - one of my favorite grouse guns is a 16ga 1904 VH
what is the frame size (marked on a barrel lug) and the barrel length?
if you give the serial number we may be able to confirm the original configuration. a visit to the Parker Collector Board will tell you if any factory records exist.
how are the barrels? any pitting? is the gun on face?
check the chambers, they may not be 2 3/4
if any thing rates as a common problem - the head of the stock sometimes splits on a Parker (but a small percentage)- I suspect, but cannot prove, a combination of heavy loads and oil damage, this can be neatly repaired leaving little evidence, although the normal approach is simply a bolt through the head.
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Yes it has double triggers and extractors. It is a #2 frame size and has 30" 'Vulcan Steel' barrels. Everything seems to be tight and as it should be and surprisingly there are no cracks in the stock anywhere. #129358 and all numbers match so it's not a Frankenstein gun. Thanks for the advice.
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129358 does list as a 12ga 30' barrel gun with a capped pistol grip stock and no extras such as ejectors. A #2 frame 30 makes a nice pheasant or lighter duck gun, enjoy
according to the Parker site there are surviving factory records for a letter on your gun. Although for a VH grade the information is generally limited to things like when and to what store/dealer it was shipped.
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Thanks for the information. I had no idea that there were records available. I guess I'll have to fire up the MEC this week!
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I'm assuming that your Parker is chambered for 2 1/2" shells, choked tight and tighter and that's great if it works for you. Rocky Mountain Cartridge will make you lathe turned all brass hulls, specifically for your chamber size. Below is how I helped a friend open up his very tight patterns. A friend bought a 1917 Parker VH in 16 GA and after measuring chokes determined that the gun was a tight mod and a tight full. Patterning with modern ammunition verified that the gun's chokes were not suitable for the type of bird hunting that he did. I have had great success with all brass shells and my friend decided to buy a minimum order of 10. We tried the following using shot with little or no antimony: Osc cards cut half way through and slid into each other forming a +. This worked well. Then we tried inserting a straw in the middle of the shot and this was not effective in either of the Parkers barrels. Then we placed 3 ea. osc cards to divide the shot vertically into 4ths. This method worked, but not quite as consistent as the + method. We only shot 10 shots per each barrel, but felt that each spreader configuration was tested to give us an idea of spread effectiveness. My best patterning loads are those assembled the old way with card and fiber wads, so we tried the same loads that I use except in a 2 1/2" hull. I'm happy to report that the the gun opened up to a mid range mod and a tight mod, very close to full choke. Bottom line: if your chokes are too tight for your hunting applications, you can buy commercial spreader wads or try some of the above ways to open up your patterns.
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These guns were not chambered 2 1/2" but 2 5/8" and WERE INTENDED TO USE LONGER 2 3/4" HULLS. Parker believed the longer hulls opening partially into the forcing cone gave a better gas seal. Look at this original hang tag supplied with the gun. Also, notice Parker's emphatic caveat to never use nitro in brass hulls.
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Providing that your VH's barrel wall thickness is good, it can handle any 2-3/4" load out there. Lighter loads will mean less pounding on the stock, but your gun was designed for use with 2-3/4" loads.
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They must of been referring to Brass hulls of the day, if not does anyone know why?
Jim
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