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I have had excellent stocks carved by Gene Simillion. I believe he has a Hoenig machine. Jeff
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LD1, Bondo works well for altering a stock. Also a hard epoxy paint will give you a smooth surface to copy. Internal ares can be glass bed as well. You want a pattern that fits perfectly and is free from all defects as possible. Otherwise you will just end up coping your mistakes or defects onto your next stock. Sometimes minor problems can be fixed by leaving extra wood on the new stock and then you finish it yourself.
I try to make the new stock as close to possible to final size to save time and effort. You can carve a stock out of a square blank or cut a nearly perfect stock that requires just a few hours to fit and finish. It comes down to pattern, man and machine. First the better the pattern the better the job. I tried to skip pattern prep and that was a disaster for the most part. Why duplicate a bad pattern or leave so much wood behind that you spend extra hours working? To me the whole point of duplications is to get a good fit and save as much time as you can. Otherwise carve it be hand using hand tools and chisels like what was done a hundred years ago.
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Agree with others. Two I'm familiar with are: http://www.gunstockduplicating.com/and http://www.customstocksandsteel.com/Dan at Custom Stocks and Steel is running a Don Allen machine. Dan worked on the side and ran the same machine for Michael Kokolus who passed away a few years ago. Agree, the pattern stock is what makes these things right. I watched Dan and his father duplicate a buttstock just a few weeks ago and this takes much longer then folks think to do right. Probably at least an hour or two. I've seen good and lousy duplication done and good is rather amazing.
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Agree with others. Two I'm familiar with are: http://www.gunstockduplicating.com/and http://www.customstocksandsteel.com/Dan at Custom Stocks and Steel is running a Don Allen machine. Dan worked on the side and ran the same machine for Michael Kokolus who passed away a few years ago. Agree, the pattern stock is what makes these things right. I watched Dan and his father duplicate a buttstock just a few weeks ago and this takes much longer then folks think to do right. Probably at least an hour or two. I've seen good and lousy duplication done and good is rather amazing.
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i got my stock back and it is really good he cut the inlets 1 to 1 +.005 on the head and left .035 on the outside he also left the stock long for me i sent it on the 29 july got it back today.locks fit perfectly ( this is a FN side lock)for-end is 1 to 1 on the inlet +.005 on the knuckle +.035 on the outside.i used Gene Simillion looks really good,i have bought semi inlet stock's sent my wood to be inlet in the past with less than great result's this look's very good, very close fitting and great looking inlets.it cost more but the time saving and a better looking finished job makes it worth it ,at least for me. MC
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mc that sounds like a very fair job. Why do people expect cheap, fast and good all in the same transaction? If lucky you get two out of three. Pay the man and get what you want. If you ever get a hack job you spend endless hours trying to fix a bad start on a restock job. If you get a bad set for two hundred and a good set for five hundred why complain about the difference? If I did not have my own machine I would be spending that type of money and be glad for the time savings on the job. But that is just me I guess.
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