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Drew, I'll have to search again but it was something like "The Iron Age Directory" 1911.

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Raimey
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1915 Krupp Advert for Thomas Prosser & Son, 26 Platt Street, NY


Interesting 1915 Vulcan Crucible Steel Advert that caught my eye

from another recent thread

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Raimey
rse

Indeed, The Iron Age Directory 1911 page 390:

http://books.google.com/books?id=chtaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA354&lpg=PA354&dq=Wiebusch+%26+Hilger,+NY&source=bl&ots=4Bw1MXnfrs&sig=wLXHX8RriHU6qC7vSv-3ZV6GetA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FEP5U7GQAeHFigLSoIGQBg&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&q=gun%20barrel&f=false

It is possible that some may supply large tubes for something like Naval applications as it doesn't denote small arms.

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Raimey
rse

Thank you Raimey. This link should get there
http://books.google.com/books?id=chtaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA390&lpg

BTW: I have Halcomb Steel Company's "Catalogue and Hints on Steel" from 1913. C. H. Halcomb, former president of Crucible, formed Halcomb Steel Company in Syracuse in 1902. L.C. Smith was Chairman of the Board of Directors. Crucible bought Halcomb in 1911, but the company continued to market many tradename steels and steel alloys including Dreadnought High Speed Steel, Ketos Oil Hardening Steel, and Halectralloy Brand Chrome Vanadium and Chrome Nickel steels. John Houchins stated that Halcomb supplied London steel for 0 grades and Royal steel for the hammer guns starting in 1907. The "Catalogue and Hints on Steel" however contains no mention of steel for gun barrels nor Royal or London steel.

So, with whom do you think the recipe or trademarks of Royal Steel & London Steel might lie?

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Raimey
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As with Damascus patterns, I think folks called barrels whatever they wanted
Hunter Arms introduced "Nitro" Steel in 1898.
In 1913 Lefever had "Royal Nitro" on G and "Premier Nitro" on F.
The J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Model 270 was listed with "Nitro Steel".
After 1904 the lower grade Tobin doubles were fitted with DeMoya Fluid Steel and "Trojan Nitro" Steel.
The 1920s Folsom/Crescent American Gun Co. "Midget Field Model" was listed with "Nitro Steel" barrels.
The 1907 Union Fire Arms catalog listed the Model 22 double with "Imported Nitro-steel Barrels".

And this Hunter Arms Co. Fulton tradename New Haven Fire Arms Co. for E.K. Tryon and Great Western Gun Works has "London Fluid Steel"



Other Fulton tradename guns had "Superior Quality", "Royal Steel", "Peerless Steel", "Fluid Blued Steel", "Projectile Steel", "Silver Steel", and "Missabe Fluid Steel" on "Comstock Arms Co. Duluth" guns. The Mesabi Iron Ore Range is the largest iron deposit in NE Minn. Lake Superior Iron Mines owned the Duluth, Missabe & Northern RR. The Marketing Dept. in Fulton must have been proud of that one!

All right. Let me do some digging as to who sought this protection on May 5th, 1905 & why:


Hunter Arms Company, Fulton, NY

London Fluid Steel

Missabe Fluid Steel

Nitro Steel with & without Arm in Dexter with lightening bolts

Crown Steel with & without Crown

Add L.C. Smith & Hunter


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Raimey
rse

1898 Hunter Arms catalog



c. 1901 - 1903 Ithaca Gun Co. Quality 3 and above models have been identified with "Crown Steel" marked on the top of the barrels. How could that happen?

Maybe they had a seer or fortune teller & they realized they needed to trademark the terms in 1905? This is your barnlot.

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Raimey
rse

I too hold that the tradenames are some sort of recipe or procedure/protocol for steel making. There's some short cut in the cheaper version vs. the higher quality steel.

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Raimey
rse