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https://www.facebook.com/282264291796980...e=1&theaterShot concentrators were used before choke was perfected. Here are some photos of one. I rarely see them and thought they might amuse some of you. Pape was caught cheating at the Field Trial with these in the choke bore vs cylinder trial.
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Gary B. Muckel, founder of the Nebraska Cartridge Collectors wrote a 200+ page book titled Early Shotgun Concentrators and Spreaders, available for $55 plus $3 shipping from the author. Gary states the Eley is one of the most common having been made in such a wide variety and over such a long period of time. Based on Joshua Jenour's patent of 1827, sold to the Eleys, who were advertising by 1828.
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This shows them in more detail as to how they are constructed. The shot was mixed with bone meal to act as a buffering agent. 
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Note that the blue one was for breech loaders so could be loaded into a cartridge. The copper wire basket construction was filled with shot of a size that would come steadily through the holes as it flew down range. This was mixed with bone meal. The whole was then wrapped in paper which came away as the shot emerged. The one on the right shows the outer paper wrapper with pull cord. This could be removed and used as part of the wadding. The main wad was part of the paper wrap and wire cage for easy loading. All very neat. Lagopus.....
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As a kid, growing up in Ireland, I was shown how to open up the cartridge and pour melted wax into the shot to produce ammunition suited for big game.
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I came across these ads for Follett's Pneumatic Concentrator, but can't find any articles in period sporting journals, a patent, nor reference to E.P. Follett & Co. in Chicago April 1909 Field & Stream![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Shotshells-and-pressures/Shotshells/i-Bk7dtnW/0/18fefa1b/M/Follett%20Field%20%26%20Stream%204-1909-M.png) November 1909 Forest & Stream. The cup was apparently a paper case with a metal base? ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Shotshells-and-pressures/Shotshells/i-PCxPBSL/0/240e3e30/M/Follett%27s%20Forest%20%26%20Stream%2011-1909-M.png) 1911 Hunter - Trader - Trapper![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/Shotshells-and-pressures/Shotshells/i-GsLZ8vj/0/794f2a31/M/Follett%20HTT%201911-M.png) This is a 1969 patent with a similar concept. If you scroll to the bottom the Follett device is not referenced and the earliest patent is 1914 https://patents.google.com/patent/US3724378 A "shot container" from 1989; "the container for containing the shot pellets comprises a container body constituted by a non-slit tube and a disc integral therewith and in contact with the wad" https://patents.google.com/patent/US5299502
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"Eley's Patent Wire Cartridges, for Shooting Game, Wild-fowl, Wood-pigeons, Rooks, Rabbits, Snipe, &c. at Long Distances: Warehouse, 36, St. James's Street, London", 1830 https://books.google.com/books?id=rIA-AAAAcAAJ&pg=PP3&lpgThe New Sporting Magazine, September 1838 https://books.google.com/books?id=MHsEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA150&lpgAn Encyclopaedia of Rural Sports, 1858 https://books.google.com/books?id=gouQTnU3pREC&pg=PA769&lpg1870 https://books.google.com/books?id=9xpdAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA769&lpg
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