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dealer should do the right thing and refund full cost...

however, his terms and conditions are very clear.

That's for sure.. This dealer is a real piker if he doesn't make the buyer whole, and soon. There is no defending this behavior no matter whether you are selling shoes or firearms..

otte: too bad you have nothing positive nor constructive to add to this thread...

Which in no way excuses him of misrepresentation and consequential fraud. His policies are only valid if he applies "Full Disclosure" when selling his wares.

ken: good point...cept, you are suggesting seller intentionally committed fraud, by not disclosing cracked stock in his advertisement, and thus did not provide "full disclosure"...

makes no sense that he would intentionally commit fraud...just like it makes no sense that he would not make an exception to his stated policy and refund buyers full cost...beginning to sound like sellers ego is clouding his good business judgement.

Ed,

As I stated before, if the seller did not see the crack it becomes an issue of competence. A seller who is not competent to accurately describe a gun's faults and condition is still responsible. The buyer is not responsible, and he should get his money back due to the misrepresentation, intentional or not. It would be a good learning experience for the seller, who now risks serious damage to his reputation as this could easily be considered dishonest.

Brian, in your correspondence with Jay Barrington, he said this:

"I qm sorry about this. I cant refund shipping for any reason...as you said the hairline crack was very hard to see and I certainly didnt know it was there. I am surprised you expect me to cover it especially on a used consignment gun ..."

But I don't see anywhere that you said that this was a hairline crack that was very hard to see. Even though your pictures are larger than normal size, I think any of us except the legally blind would be able to see that crack in the wrist with the most cursory examination. Did you happen to pay with a U.S. Postal Money Order? If so, I would attempt to initiate a Mail Fraud claim. Too bad you weren't going to North Carolina for some reason, for I think you would prevail in a small claims court action on this one.

I am glad that you told us how Shooters Investments of Raleigh North Carolina does business. I agree with your opinion that not refunding the shipping on a gun that was grossly defective beyond the written description is deceptive and wrong. Even if it was an honest mistake, being a good and honest businessman would dictate doing the right thing and refunding all costs associated with the transaction. Customer satisfaction and goodwill is a lot more important than $75.00 that he could use as a business expense at tax time.

Ed, would you have even given Brian the money back for the gun, or would you have accused him of swapping a good stock for a broken one with identical grain?

keith: your bogus, mean spirited question is not worthy of serious response.

Sorry, that must have been another ed good who has a return policy that would give even Jesus difficulty, and who has stated his belief that many people who attempt to return guns are dishonest people who buy a gun just to swap broken parts for good ones.

I've returned two guns for problems that weren't disclosed in the add. One purchased on Gunbroker, one on Auction Arms. In both cases I got nada zippo on a refund for shipping expenses. In both cases I got business checks sent to me minus the original shipping expense and was told that return shipping was my responsibility. I was also told they had to pay the commission fees to Gunbroker/Auction Arms and since they couldn't obtain a credit from either one of the auction services, they were losing money anyway. Anyway, it seems it is what it is. Sadly.