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I especially like the polished internal lock work on that Ugartechea looks top notch. Is that what separates the Spanish sidelocks being how much attention is paid on the lock's internal parts?

When a Spanish shotgun was made probably has as much, or more, to do with the level of fit, finish, and extent/quality of engraving than any other factor. For a host of political, economic and cultural reasons labor in Spain was extremely cheap during the period of roughly 1945 � 1975. Guns made during this period will generally be better finished and have better engraving than later guns. I think that�s especially true of the period roughly 1950 � 1970, and it�s true regardless of whether we�re talking about side locks or box locks.

In terms specifically of the insides of the locks from medium level side lock guns, the 1950s guns are much more likely to have the tool marks removed and the lock parts polished than the late 1960s guns. By the early 1960s we see more locks with tool marks removed but not polished, and by the late 1960 we are more likely to find locks with traces of tool marks left.

The above 20 gauge gun just sold for $975. That's a Victor Sarasqueta, model 7E, for $975. One of the guys on my forum bought it; it is his first Spanish shotgun. I immediately offered him $1100, and I think he's still laughing :-)

For context, here is another VS 7E, in 12 gauge:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=474743945

Kyrie,
I saw that 20ga when the auction was still running. I assumed you knew, or I would have mentioned it.

Ithaca1

Of the ones linked as examples for around $1K, that 20 VS was the only one to really catch my eye. I think it was a bit abnormal for that price range too.

Have you looked over the other 7E (the one in 12 gauge)?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=474743945

Kyrie,
That engraving caught my eye and the Silvers pad would lend itself well to being leather covered. I'd like to see the inside of the locks. The bowling ball finish would have to go as well:)

I'd bet, pin configuration on the outside being what it is, that the locks are pretty much like this:

Was it common on high grade Spanish guns of that time to engine turn (jewel) the inside of the locks?

I wouldn't say engine turning was common, but when I've seen engine turning on locks it has been on very high grade guns:

Armas Parkemy Silver Especial




VS Model 213