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I picked this up at a show last month. It sat on a table looking for an owner. It had a couple of 'issues' as they like to say now. It appeared to have taken a fall right onto the toe of the butt.(I think maybe during Friday Nite Set-up,,looked pretty fresh!).
The toe was splintered and the steel butt plate was bent. The Lyman 48 sight top bar was bent down I'd guess from the secondary bounce..
Other than that, I didn't see any damage.
So for $500 it was mine.

I fixed the toe and butt plate. Needs a little finish fix-up yet to blend things in but it that's no problem. The Lyman 48 is back straight. It shoot's great. A quick range visit placed a handful of Denver Arsenal/'42 AP rounds into an inch at 50m from an elbow rest.
A bit low but sight adj can come later.

The rifle has absolutely no markings on it other than the standard SA markings on the recv'r ring. The ser# is 1,277,xxx.
The bolt electro-pencil # matches the rec'vr and is visable on the top of the bolt with the action closed. Bolt handle marked J5 on the shank where it joins the bolt body.
No striker knob (NM?). Very nice single stage trigger, but still has military parts inside, no alterations to take up the first stage of the normal 2 stage pull on the military trigger. Is that another NM feature?

BBl has witness mark with the rec'vr on the left side just above the wood line. No rear sight spline cut on the bbl.
No markings on the bbl at all (caliber, maker, retailer,,,)
No SA or military marks on the bbl.
Banded front sight. Spring loaded push button release catch on the left side for a sight hood (missing). Front sight blade is secured into the base from the front via a dovetail,,not a side to side dovetail.
Sling swivel bases look like they'd take something like the Winchester style TD swivels(missing). Front base is a saddle style base soldered to the bbl 3 " ahead of the forend (ebony tip)
Rear base is a screw in base.

Bolt handle is hollowed out and is checkered in a 2 panel pattern on the backside.


It has a side mount scope base on the recv'r. I think it was added later than the rifle was built as the 3 screws and 2 pins that hold it aren't very neatly trimmed off as they could be. Just a guess though. It sits very far forward and the bolt is not altered at all. Either a true side mounted scope or one sitting slightly forward to clear the bolt perhaps. I'm not much for scopes, so the side mt may go and fill in the holes and simple wood slice.
I think it's a Noske (sp?) mount but just a guess.

Solid steel grip cap. No marks under it or on it. Single screw secures it. Trap door butt plate, w/ widows peek. Checkered w/ border and a couple simple large scrolls at the top.
Marked 'Germany' in tiny letters at the base inside. Underneath 2 extra cartridge holes and 1 larger cavity which came with a neatly rolled up brush and tip pull-thru cleaner. It's deep enough that another accessory can fit on top of the pull-thru yet.

Military floor plate release though the spring does feel lighter than my Sedgley. There are initials hand engraved on the plate.

Inside, the rifles ser# in pencil marked into the wood just behind the recoil lug area. No other markings anywhere,,wood or metal.
The inletting on the action and bottom metal in very tight but done with draft so the bottom metal releases easily with a gentle tap. Small chisel and gouge marks galore but very precise.
The bbl inlet precise as well but scrape finished very smooth.

About it,,,I really like the rifle. Perfect bore, very smooth action. Still has the military follower to hold the bolt open after the last shot.
Rust blue finish
Checkering is done w/ 60* cutter it looks like. Definetly not 90*. Haven't measured it but I'd guess 26 or 28 lpi

Sorry for the long dissertation, I tried to get all the info I could out.
Here's a couple pics that are slightly better than nothing.
Thanks,,






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I like this rifle and think you did very well indeed for the price. Off the top of my head I'd say John Dubiel is possibly the stocker. The cheekpiece and the checkering pattern look like ones I once owned from him. It sounds like an NRA sporter too. Does it have the slight radius on the front of the receiver ring?


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Nice looking and at a great price. I too would say you did well. No idea on maker based on my limited experience. Sounds like it shoots as good as it looks. From your pictures and description, it sounds like a quality rifle based on one of the best platforms of the era. Looks like you were able to repair the "issues". I feel like I have seen it before, any chance the previous owner might have had it on Gun Broker?


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"...Does it have the slight radius on the front of the receiver ring?.."
No purposely cut radius,,just a square edge.


"....I feel like I have seen it before, any chance the previous owner might have had it on Gun Broker?..."

I picked this one up at an OGCA (Ohio Gun Collectors) show. But it may have been on GB. The guy sets up and sells all the time.

Thanks for the comments!

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Kutter:

Most of the 1903s in the 1277XXX serial number range are NRA Sporters, I have one in that range. That's why Bill was asking about the front of the receiver radius. If you will PM the entire serial number, I will see if it is listed in SRS.

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Kutter:

Is the grip cap the same as this one? Photo number 8.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=482135519

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Originally Posted By: relics6165
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Is the grip cap the same as this one? Photo number 8.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=482135519


Grip cap is a solid cap,,no trap door. Single wood screw thru the center.
I'll see if I can post a pic of it, the front sight & whatever else I can think of.

Thanks for the interest in the rifle.

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Show us the scope base, we may be able to verify if it is Noske or not.
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Very nice Dubiel you have there. Might take a look at this thread. http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...1728#Post171728

I am beginning to wonder if Dubiel didn't do some stock work for Hart Arms while he was in Cleveland. Some of the early Hart guns just look to much like a Dubiel. Can we get a close-p of the rear sling swivel, and the scope base?

Thanks for sharing.

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A few more pics of the rifle and parts requested.

Included are a couple of the front edge of the rec'vr. I didn't think it had a chamfered edge, but the pics say otherwise I think. Time for better glasses or maybe I should just wear my optivisor around full time!










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