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I would venture to guess the "e flues" on the lug and the chamber markings on the side of the chamber area to be original as it was originally imported and marked by Emil when he received the imported action/barrels in the white or similar situation.

As stated above a lot of EF attributed guns are very continental in design and are probably made of at least some imported parts in the white.

The scratchings on top of the chambers are just that, scratchings.

Would be good to see if there are any proof marks left...looks like something just forward of the flats on the rib?

Just tossing that out there, if I am right I would like to see the gun, if there is one that they were fitted to?

Walt, 410 last gun before he died, this could be interesting...or very much so not:)

Best,
Mark

I'd say that the first step is a Certified Letter stating your intentions. There's got to be a way to present this in such a way as to substantiate the Fraud. Did he ship the barrels via the Post Office? How did you pay for them? You could possibly pursue that route as well.

The barrels came by FedEx, I paid with a personal check.

There are no other markings on the flats or the rib, or anywhere else for that matter, other than left barrel has "410 2 1/2 inch & 3 inch

Again, the seller has stated that he purchased them in a grouping of items at a gun auction. He never had anything else that went with the barrels, is my understanding. Although the bores were dirty with gunpowder, so they had been shot previously.

original advertisement

The ad is from the Spring 2015 Double Gun Journal.

Based on the phone number in the ad the following is public information:

" Board of County Commissioners
Palm Beach County Florida
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Main Office (561) 712-6600 - Boca/Delray/Glades (888) 582-7362
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Business Information Report on: Roger Quisenberry
Date of Report: 6/23/2015
Reporting Period: 6/23/2012 To: 6/23/2015
Business Type: Real Estate
Business Address: 5421 S FLAGLER DRIVE
West Palm Beach, FL, 33405
Business Mailing Address: PO BOX 6293
West Palm Beach, FL 33405
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The report on this business is based up on the information we have for this reporting period only.
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No consumer disputes on file for this reporting period."

I think that it's time to file a "consumer dispute" with the Palm Beach County Consumer Affairs Division - telephone number 561-712-6600.

Here's a link to the Palm Beach County Consumer Affairs Code https://www.municode.com/library/fl/palm...H9COAF_ARTIINGE

Give him hell!

Gunnut what is "remelt"if that is a term for scrap, these barrels have a lot more value. they do look like sauer barrels and may be able to be fit to a 16/20 sauer so not to be a total loss something that could be resurrected and not to be a total loss ,

not much meat to the breach end of those barrels....would have to be fitted to a 28ga or true 410 sized frame, not a 20 or 16ga....Im sure if the seller could of found a frame/gun to fit those barrels to he would of.....so unless sitting around looking at a flues stamping on a barrel lug is what floats your boat I see little value....and for sure not anywhere near $3500...and by saying the barrels were all set to fit to flues 28ga....makes this seller a liar, or nut case....

Well Fred, there you have it - several very valid opinions and recommendations.
You're a very nice guy and I know it's not like you to be vindictive, but you shouldn't take this "lyin' down."

If I may add the following it may help or hamper this issue.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopi...+Flues#p3294681

https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=3693&aid=88051&lid=22180578&rts=/asp/searchadvanced_i.asp%23searchTerm%3Dithaca%26firstSearch%3Dtrue%26category%3Dall%2Bcategories%26searchid%3D%26type%3Dlot%26search%3Dithaca%26sort%3Drelevance%26length%3D25%26start%3D1%26refine%3D%26nc%3D1415795148802#topoflot

I saved pics of this gun, One of 10 prototype Flues Guns (the first ten) #175010. It has different barrel lugs, one is through the frame. If one of you would like to post the pics I will email my file of pictures saved from the proxibid auction.

John

Although I'm relatively familiar with Ithaca doubles, there are people with WAY more expertise than I have. However, I would have known from one quick look at that set of barrels that they would not fit a Flues. Or, for that matter, any other Ithaca double I've ever seen. Anyone who claims to know Ithacas and who claimed that they'd fit . . . well, either they don't know Ithacas or else what they were selling was a bill of goods.

I don't believe the seller for a moment.



A collector who knows that the Flues was never manufactured in .410

A collector who knows to advertise in the DGJ?

Yet he accepts that a "E. Flues" stamp means that the barrels fit the Flues model?

If he had put them up on Gunbroker with pictures, he would never have sold them. Seems almost purposeful.