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Gents,My Great Grand Father fought in Durells Battery D Pa. Volunteer Artillery. They fought atSouth Mt.,Antietam . and every other major battle of the Army Of The Potomac.He would spit in the face of anyone that would suppsort taking down the Confederate Battle Flag. By the he did not do it to free any damn slaves. Like many others his age he did for adventure , That soon became fight to survive. I learned most of this from my Mother telling his stories after the War.

Regarding the issue of Grant's ownership of slaves, my point is that if a few minutes of Googling debunks the opening sentence of the article, the rest of the article should be given the same scrutiny. There are so many inflammatory(sp?) articles being published and statements being made, it behooves us all to investigate them and point out when they are in error.

As to tearing down the Confederate flag, Louis Farrakhan thinks that is not a step far enough.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/06/2...ican-flag-down/

JC, I completely acknowledge the point you make. Propaganda is propaganda and if you just accept it without thinking it will invariably lead you astray. My only concern with what you posted previously was that it appeared to be just more propaganda and debunked nothing.

As far as Farrakhan goes, well at least you always know where he's coming from...Geo

The fact of Grant's slave ownership is widely known and the article I linked to can be easily fact checked. The ownership has never been covered up. Grant managed his father inlaw's farm starting in 1854. At some point, the slave was deeded over to him. Grant signed the paper of manumission in 1859. Some of the circumstances may be unclear, but the slave was freed by Grant.

The quotation you presented is factually incorrect. Grant did not own slaves, plural, and did not retain ownership beyond the Civil War.

OK...Geo

But Grant's wife did own slaves. And she retained ownership of her slaves until slavery became illegal in the state she resided in. I assume that General Grant resided with her when he was home.

King, you compulsive liar, show us where anyone here made an excuse for their own conduct pertaining to the ownership of slaves in the U.S.

That was over 150 years ago, and so far as we know, no one here was alive, and no-one here in Misfires had slave owning ancestors. Well, you may have been alive back then... I'm surprised you haven't claimed to be a close friend of Methuselah.

You, on the other hand, cannot and will not even acknowledge the fact that blacks both sold and owned slaves, and that there is more human trafficking on earth today than at any other time in history.

Are you so agenda driven in your quest to blame whites of today for sins of the distant past that you feel compelled to tell lies and make an ass of yourself? Never mind, you have already answered that countless times.

So what....this some more of your liberal bull.

It was obvious to me you were of yankee linage..



His sick brain needs consoling King...and your just the one to do it.

Mike, I expect that you know what an "indentured servant" is. We don't have that anymore in the USA as it went out with slavery. It involved an enforceable contract for personal service for a certain period of time. It was often utilized by penniless emigrants as a way to get started in our country back in the 19th century and before. I expect that is what HoJO had in mind a few posts back when he suggested that there were as many white slaves as black in antebellum America.

Indentured servitude was also one of the ways that a slave could be "freed" providing that the owner consented and the price of the indenture was agreeable to the old master and the new 'employer'. The process was that the slave was manumitted so as to be competent to contract on his or her own account and then entered into the indentured servitude contract for a term agreeable between the parties and for a price (either payable in cash or in agreed payments over the term of the servitude) which was payable to the old master as consideration for the loss (sale) of his property.

That appears to have been what took place when U.S.Grant "freed" his slave in 1859. No one knows, but I think it is likely that Grant was paid for his slave all through the civil war.

And that is all I know about the subject of indentured servitude...Geo