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Is this really any different than if you had bought what was advertised as a Rolex, yet turned out to be a counterfeit? Or, a stone represented to be a Diamond turned out to be Zirconium?


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I agree with Ken, and do not see how or why it could be a problem to at very least name the seller. If someone decides to cheat me out of $3500.00, I'm coming after my money, one way or another. He knows he did wrong and won't even answer a phone call to discuss a return. We've seen a few people change gears and do the right thing after their little scam was outed here. Legitimate sellers offer a reasonable return policy. This sounds like the near impossible return policy of anti-gun Ed Good which is something like "I know what I am selling and you are expected to know what you are buying." Even if it was a complete gun, and it was advertised as an Ithaca and turned out to be a Simpson, you ought to be able to return it since it was misrepresented.

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keith,

The sellers name is in the public information post on page 2.


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Who would be qualified as professionals/ expert witnesses, that I might engage to state in an affadavit that the barrels are not Ithaca Gun Company "Flues" barrels and never would be "set to fit on a Flues model". That they are fakes.
I believe I not only purchased Flues barrels, but also .410 barrels that are "likely only such extant!".
That is a pretty big statement.


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It's hard to imagine that you could find a more "expert witness" than Mr. Walt. Snyder since he authored the "Bible" on Ithaca Guns and has probably done more research on them than anyone. I'm glad that you intend to at least try to get a refund. Since the seller is no stranger to guns, he can't exactly plead ignorance. Good luck. Please let us know how it works out for you.


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I know about Roger Quesenberry. Good luck about getting any of your money back

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The defense might be that they are Flues barrels (per the stamp on the lump), just not Ithaca Flues barrels. Don't know how much water that would hold. But it is pretty widely known that Emil Flues was involved in building guns other than Ithacas.

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I think what would clarify the "Emil Flues" point and clearly indicate the Fraud would be the additional "Ithaca" markings, showing the attempt to defraud by misrepresentation. I'm no expert on engraving, but the "Ithaca" markings, as was previously mentioned, appear to be engraved with a different type tool than was actually used on Ithaca guns. It looks like it may have been done with a rotary burr tool. The individual letters look waaay too "Wide", as compared to a stamp or chisel...

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Happen to know anyone in the Palm Beach area that you could provide a Limited Power of Attorney to? They could then pursue it on your behalf down there...

Besides letters from experts, you should also request a letter from DGJ, since they were unwittingly made accessory to the Fraud.

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This shows that doing a search of a private sellers name, before sendng them a check should be made. Better yet send Postal money orders and use the Postmaster in cause of frauds. Lots of troubling information on people out there for the finding. I also would have called a couple people I know in the area for their off the record thoughts. But not everyone has local contacts. And people will speak freer than they will answer a text type message.

Back when I was still collecting Winchester Model 70's I was hot to buy a very rare gun from an unknown to me seller. This was pre Internet days. Three calls to local, to him, gun clubs and one to the local sherif set off every alarm bell in my head. So I passed. Heard later three other buyers were not so lucky and all failed to get money returned. Seller seemed to skip town every two or three years and not return until statue of limitations lapsed. Back in those days it was far easier to move away and just disappear. There were no web searches or other easy means of finding people when they moved and left no forwarding address. I hope you stick with it and you get your money back.

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You don't need an expert to see there is no cocking hook or a way to get it ready for fitting without completely re-machining the hooks and lumps. MKII

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