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Yep. Here's one of many results of Google search on "swamped rib":

http://www.hallowellco.com/swamped_rib%20definition.htm

"Swamped Rib - A minimalist, smooth, concave, practically hidden, top rib on a side-by-side gun that connects the two barrels together, but provides no obvious extra aid to pointing---leaving the whole silhouette of the barrels themselves as the shooter's frame of reference."

Good reference. I'd say you'd know when you see one!

i always thought a rib in itself was an aid to align beads just prior to swithcing focus to the target.
yet all thru history, i see makers selling the rib as an aiming tool.
i/e: the browning recessed rib and broadway rib.

Bobski:

I'm 5'6", so this may not be of much help. I've owned and shot two different Model 21s, both double trigger (which I prefer on a sxs), splinter forend guns, 28 inch barrels, one with extractors and one with ejectors. Both were 14-1/4 inches over a Winchester butt plate, which I think was the standard factory LOP. Both weighed less than 7-1/4 pounds, which is light for a 12 gauge Model 21.

I suspect both would have been too short for you, given your height, so you may need to add a pad regardless of the setup you find. If you want a true field gun that can double as a target gun, either of these would work fine. In addition, you will find that the double trigger/splinter configuration sells at a discount to the standard Model 21 with single trigger/beavertail, which for me was a nice bonus.

shame the new generation doesnt understand that dt's are a lot easier than screwing in chokes.
all you do is move your finger and you get a choke change.

Bob, Have a 20 ga DT ejector skeet 21; it is the grail in grouse/WC cover. Mostly shot 12 and 20 ga SST guns. The 21 SST is good, not perfect, and better than many others. BTFE, yes, for a mostly target gun. Never saw any difference in my scores straight vs PG.....shot my first 100 with a 26" 12 ga straight grip.

Field. Back in the '80s-'90s took truckloads of scratch birds with them. Most 21 skeets are game gun fast, if heavy. The heavy part is not so much a liability IMO. In my hands sub-6#ers are nice to carry, not so nice to make hits with. And on a windy day would much rather have a tight-choked M-12.

Have used 21s with pads and w/checkered butts. The only buttplate I did not like was a steel skeleton. Too much slippage, range or field.

Prefer a solid rib for a mostly field 21. My VR 20 feels like a tank, but maybe that's what you want in a dedicated range gun.

Never owned a 21 Trap, but shot a couple. They are simply wonderful.

JMO, but LOP is the most over-fretted stock dimension. Have done just fine with 13.5" to 14.75" skeets (am 5'9").

Can't answer the chokes question without knowing intended use. Will say a 12/16/20 WS2 works on birds to a full 40 yds assuming premium shells.

26" bbls are not what I'd want for NSCA, but still work well on a skeet range.

all inputs are certainly enjoyed. its good to be back after being gone so long.

I've got a couple of 21's. The 20 gauge is a two barrel set. 26"IC/Mod and 30" F/M. In this case the gun is set up as a field gun. IMHO, to attempt to have both a Skeet Gun and a Trap gun with two sets of barrels isn't optimum, because the two games require different stock dimensions to fit the game

excatly, and if i had a choice, id go with a bonified skeet gun with x-tra trap bbls and shootflat, then to have to use a trap gun that shot high and swung slower.

You are starting down a long and slippery slope which will become expensive as you acquire M21's.
No one M21 will suffice for everything you have listed.
For Skeet, there is the M21 in 'Skeet' that comes with 26" or later 28" barrels.
For Trap, you have the Trap model.
Do not confuse these with the early Skeet and Trap Grade guns.
My 16 gauge 26" Skeet Grade had no pad and that was Factory standard.
I would have a pad as I got beat up with it. Swing was great and also was a great upland game gun.
My 32" 12 gauge VR Shadow Line Cheekpiece was built as a Live Pigeon gun, I believe but was a great double for Trap or Sporting Clays. Altough it did have a Hession rather than a Trap forend(Shorter).
Ws1 and Ws2 will still do well on Skeet.
But the majority of these guns are well used and who knows what mods were made.
You need a Pro Bore Gauge to measure constrictions to insure it's original or you should pay less.
Why not just order what you want from CSMC?-Dick